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20 Jul 2017 16:19 |
Said to be born 1844, Montreal. In England by 1868. Have found an entry for him in Record Set: "British Civil Service Evidence of Age" Record Collection: Births and Baptisms Reference:- 41233107 Does anyone know what this means, please?
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Rambling
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20 Jul 2017 16:23 |
From FMP
"Discover more about these records
These details were collected by the Civil Service Commission (CSC) to establish accurate birth records for their staff, to ensure they were of minimum age or eligible for a pension. By the 1980s, the CSC had accumulated original documents for approximately 60,000 individuals, consisting largely of items that it would be impractical to replace, such as personal testimonials or documents from overseas. The records are declarations of births by parents or a signed testimony of an individual’s birth date in place of a birth or baptism record.
This important genealogical collection was deposited at the Society of Genealogists (SoG) and provides unique evidence of birth for which other sources are unlikely to be available.
The collection might more properly be titled the Remains of the British Civil Service Evidence of Age, as it is estimated that it constitutes only 2% of the papers originally collected. It is important to realise that not all civil servants are reflected in the collection, let alone all those who applied to the Civil Service Commission for employment."
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Maddie
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20 Jul 2017 16:31 |
looks like he never joined the civil service
Henry Atcherson Carson
in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 View England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-189
Name: Henry Atcherson Carson Date of Trial: 21 Mar 1864 Trial Year: 1864 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: 6 months for embezzelment
he is a waiter in 1881 :-(
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ArgyllGran
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20 Jul 2017 16:38 |
And a barman in 1871.
You said he was in England "by 1868".
Is this him in 1864, imprisoned for 6 (?) months for embezzlement ? If so, I imagine that would put paid to any hope of becoming a civil servant.
Henry Atcherson Carson in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Name: Henry Atcherson Carson Date of Trial: 21 Mar 1864 Trial Year: 1864 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Sentence: Imprisonment
[Oops, I see you've added that to your post, Maddie!]
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Jul 2017 16:41 |
He is a bar man in. 1871 same area as the 1881 census
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Chapel Street, Fenton, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
George Turton Head - Male 41 1830 - Staffordshire, England Occ bricklayer Sarah Turton Wife - Female 40 1831 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Henry Carson Boarder - Male 27 1844 - Canada
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dolphin Inn Piccaddily Crown Bank, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Anthony Warrilow Head Married Male 42 1839 Licenced Victualler Hanley, Staffordshire, England Transcription Martha Warrilow Wife Married Female 38 1843 Licenced Victualler Wife Hanley, Staffordshire, England Transcription John Patterson Servant Single Male 20 1861 Barman (Inn) Sandon, Staffordshire, England Transcription Henry Carson Servant Married Male 37 1844 Waiter Canada Transcription Frederick Turner Servant Single Male 14 1867 Barman Hanley, Staffordshire, England Transcription Elijah Maitland Servant Single Male 14 1867 Barman Hanley, Staffordshire, England Transcription Mary Kelley Servant Single Female 42 1839 Housemaid (Dom) Galway, Galway, Ireland Transcription Mary J Young Servant Single Female 21 1860 Waitress (Inn) Newport, Buckinghamshire, England Transcription Selina Barker Servant Single Female 20 1861 Domestic Serv Tunstall, Staffordshire, England Transcription Census details
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Jul 2017 16:43 |
We cross posting :-D
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Jul 2017 16:46 |
In trouble agian in 1868
138 Series HO27 Source Home Office: Criminal Registers, England And Wales, 1805-1892 Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 First name(s) Henry Atcherson Last name Carson Year 1864 Session date 21 Mar 1864 Court Clerkenwell Archive The National Archives Documents Records created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security, and related bodies Piece scope Lancashire - Rutland Division Criminal Department Class 27 Category Institutions & organisations Subcategory Prison registers Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales © Findmypast
Crime asaulting Sarah Barber sentenced to 3 months
Edit possibly a different Henry Carson as the area doesn't fit where Henry A was known to be living
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malyon
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20 Jul 2017 16:47 |
Name Henry Atcherson Carson Event Type Marriage Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year 1868 Registration District Stoke On Trent County Staffordshire Event Place Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire, England Volume 6B Page 341 Line Number 113 Henry Atcherson Carson probably married one of the following people Name Joseph Hilton Name Sarah Mountford Name Caroline Turton
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ArgyllGran
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20 Jul 2017 16:52 |
He led an interesting life!
Married in 1868, in the same quarter that his son was born.
1871: he's living with his brother-and-sister-in-law (transcribed as Linton on Ancestry - should be Turton) , and his wife Caroline is a lodger elsewhere, originally listed as Unmarried, though that's been scored out and replaced by Married. The son George is with his grandfather James Turton.
In later censuses, there's no sign of Henry being with Caroline at all.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Jul 2017 16:54 |
It is him though in 1874 swearing to his birth in Montreal and his birth date Both parents dead
He has no documentation to prove the info so this is sworn in front of a justice of peace
Henry Atcheson Last name Carson Birth year 1844 Birth date 4 Mar 1844 Place Montreal County Quebec Country Canada Event type Birth Reference 41233 107 Record set British Civil Service Evidence Of Age Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain, UK None Society of Genealogists
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ArgyllGran
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20 Jul 2017 16:59 |
This could be him scarpering back to Canada in 1886, heading for Montreal:
Henry Carson in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: Henry Carson Gender: Male Age: 41 Birth Year: abt 1845 Date of Arrival: 19 Apr 1886 Vessel: Sardinian Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada and Portland, Maine, USA Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
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malyon
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20 Jul 2017 17:09 |
CARSON, GEORGE ATCHERSON TURTON GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 283
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MargaretM
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20 Jul 2017 17:26 |
A tree on Ancestry says born abt. 1847, Montreal, married Caroline Turton 1868 and had son George Atcherson Carson born 1868.
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Maddie
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20 Jul 2017 18:09 |
George Atcheson Last name Carson Baptism year 1868 Baptism date 20 Dec 1868 Baptism place Oakamoor, Holy Trinity Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Henry Atcheson Mother's first name(s) Caroline County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D6162/1/1 Page 62 Register type - Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
GEORGE A Last name CARSON Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1869 Age 56 Death quarter 3 Death year 1925 District Stoke on Trent County Staffordshire Volume 6B Page 230
can't find any trace of dad in canada
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ArgyllGran
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20 Jul 2017 19:04 |
Not the same DOB, but I'll post just in case:
Inconnu Henry in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: Inconnu Henry Event: Baptême (Baptism) Baptism Year: 1844 Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame
Henry (unknown surname) On the 9th November 1844, I, the undersigned priest, baptised Henry, born about two weeks ago, of unknown parents. Godmother - Therese Belanger who has declared herself unable to sign. P Denis, priest.
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Rambling
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20 Jul 2017 19:20 |
just for helpers reference
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=143897.0
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