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Elizabeth Kathleen Clifford

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Ru

Ru Report 17 Jul 2017 12:01

Just to say once again thanks.
Chris Ho - your information was very helpful. Loved the HD - none of the Dursley family worked as such (as far as I know) - lots of travel and Army connections.
Dea -you are very dear - thanks so much for the travel details.
Gins - many thanks I am going to have a look at that. That come down mainly by way of trusts so most do not inherit finances, but will check that out.
Again - ArgyllGran - you have that sorted well - thanks.

Just to fill you in on the information - Father was A.W.Clifford and his first three children were the girls in order - Rosamund, Elizabeth Kathleen and Margaret Constance, then the son Arthur John. Rosamund and Margaret married, but I could not find anything on Elizabeth.
Many thanks.
more research now to tie things up.

Peahen

Ru

Ru Report 17 Jul 2017 10:27

Hello, please forgive me but it has been a bit of an evening here so only just got time to look in.

Thank you very much indeed for all the work you have done on my behalf.

You have Elizabeth Kathleen Clifford for me and I do so appreciate this. She was never married and that was what I sought to establish and I just could not find anything much about her. I guess I was missing something.

This family is related to me by way of marriage by my Russian grandmother, but that is all. I am writing everything down and just need to establish what had happened to Elizabeth.

It is a fascinating history of the Clifford Family and thank you all most sincerely for your efforts in helping me with this.

Once again what a team you are.

Kind regards,

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Jul 2017 09:41

As Elizabeth was the daughter of a well-off family, I think HD would be more likely to mean Home Duties (in effect, non-employed ), rather than Household Domestic which implies being employed, as Chris says - unless Household Domestic could also mean a non-employed home-based woman.

In 1911 her father was a "retired army Lieutenant, living on private means", and they had a cook, footman, lady's maid, and several other maids.

Perhaps they had Army links with India, or family out there, to account for Elizabeth's visit?

EDIT:
Snap, Dea!
I was busy researching and typing when you posted .

Dea

Dea Report 17 Jul 2017 09:11

That's interesting Chris but I think she would have been a bit too 'posh' to be a cleaner.

I expect she was going over to keep an eye on the servants and the running of the household in one of their residences over there ;-)

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Jul 2017 08:45

(putting that on google Dea, saw below, although wouldn't have had her down for one, seeing family, lol)

Chris :)

[PDF]Bound for Britain - The National Archives
https://nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/education/bound.pdf
This is one of the pages from the passenger list of the Empire Windrush, a ship which brought ... c) Compare the list you have written to the occupations (jobs) shown on the passenger list, are they the same? (HINT : H.D. means Household Domestic, someone like a servant or cleaner)


(and below her sister Margaret Constance!)

http://www.thepeerage.com/p37502.htm


Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brasier-Creagh Percy B Clifford Northleach 6a 1053
Clifford Margaret C Brasier-Creagh Northleach 6a 1053
Creagh Percy B B Clifford Northleach 6a 1053


04 July 1932 - Gloucestershire Echo - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

Southrop Wedding
Miss M. C. Clifford To Mr. P. B. Brasier-Creagh
The marriage between Mr. Percy Brooke Brasier-Creagh, son of the late Captain Sydney Brasier-Creagh, and of Mrs. Parry, of Mark's Barn, Crewkerne, and Miss Margaret Constance Clifford, daughter of Major and Mrs. Arthur Clifford of Southrop Manor, near Cirencester...

(she was attended by Miss Rosamund and Miss Betty Clifford (her sisters)

Dea

Dea Report 17 Jul 2017 08:12

Here she is coming home between journeys:

Name: Elizabeth Clifford
Birth Date: abt 1909
Age: 28
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 21 May 1937
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Kaisar I Hind
Search Ship Database: Search for the Kaisar I Hind in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 128653

I was looking to see why she was travelling or for an occupation for her?
It says 'calling or occupation' = HD - (would that be Household Duties??)

Dea x

Gee

Gee Report 17 Jul 2017 07:59

CLIFFORD ELIZABETH KATHLEEN Probate date:14 June 2007 2464275 Death:18 February 2007 Grant and will Oxford

You can send for a copy of her Will using the link below

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Dea

Dea Report 17 Jul 2017 07:58

This is also her (same adress)


Name: Elizabeth Clifford
Gender: Male (she is typed in the wrong column !!)
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1910
Departure Date: 22 Jan 1937
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Strathnaver
Search Ship Database: Search for the Strathnaver in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: P and O Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 162619
Master: E P Lundeon

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Jul 2017 06:54

Birthdate...

Chris :)

08 April 1909 - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Bath, Somerset,

Birth
CLIFFORD - On March 29th, at Chestal, Dursley, Glos., to Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Clifford, a daughter.


(Sister, Rosamund)

28 September 1907 - Cheltenham Chronicle - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

Birth
CLIFFORD - Sept. 21, Chestal, Dursley, the wife of Arthur Clifford, of daughter.


Edits

All England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 (Ancestry)

Name: Elizabeth Kathleen Clifford
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1909
Date of Registration: Feb 2007
Age at Death: 98
Registration district: Oxfordshire
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: R06D
District and Subdistrict: 695/1R
Entry Number: 223


Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) E K
Last name Clifford
Title MISS
Gender Female
Age 29
Birth year 1909
Departure year 1938
Departure day 14
Departure month 9
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Karachi
Destination KARACHI
Country Pakistan
Destination country Pakistan
Ship name City Of Venice
Ship official number 147890
Ship master's first name L
Ship master's last name NICOLL
Shipping line HALL LINE LIMITED
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port BOMBAY
Ship destination country INDIA
(last UK Address, Southrop Lodge, Lechlade, Glos.)

Ru

Ru Report 17 Jul 2017 03:25

I have the birth Elizabeth Kathleen Clifford b. 29/03/1909 Dursley:


England & Wales births 1837-2006
First Name Elizabeth Kathleen
Last Name Clifford
Birth Year 1909
Gender Female
Mother's Maiden Name
Year 1909
Country England
County Gloucestershire
Event Quarter 2
District Dursley
District Number
Volume 6A
Page 266
Entry Number
Line Number 112
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths

I cannot find a marriage or death for Elizabeth.

I have the family, but it is Elizabeth Kathleen I am concentrating on at present.
I am looking and looking and just cannot locate anything more than her birth and on the 1911 Census at 2 years.

Any information would be appreciated. Have looked in trees also but again nothing.

Many thanks.