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Redwroc
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20 Jul 2017 20:40 |
Having now returned back home from holiday I've had time to consider the many replies for which I thank the respondents. The following are my observations:
Chris Ho in your first post most of the names are familiar to me and have no bearing of what happened to Louisa Jane Matilda JOHNSON nee COX. The John Thomas JOHNSON (marriage to Hannah Nightingale) is not the person of the same name who.married Louisa Jane Matilda COX in 1904. He is in fact the father of Clarissa JOHNSON (my Gt Grandmother). The references to various members of the COX family are already known to me and your reference to Genesreunited are threads that were both originated by myself. The 2 postems in FREEBMD are also of my making.
Rootgatherer, Andrew and Chris Ho (in your second post) you refer to Thos Arthur JOHNSON and Elsie Louisa JOHNSON who are children of James JOHNSON and Louisa Ann JOHNSON nee COX and have no relevance to Louisa Jane Matilda JOHNSON nee COX.
Malyon - unfortunately the death of Louisa JOHNSON in 1947 is not related to Louisa Jane Matilda JOHNSON nee COX. When I found this death in the GRO index I thought it might be a match given the age at death was appropriate, but having obtained a copy of the death certificate this Louisa Jane JOHNSON was the wife of a Frederick Henry James JOHNSON and was Louisa Jane STAPLETON before their marriage in 1899.
Sylvia you are perfectly correct in stating that the 1911 census the number of years married and number of children born/died/living were supposed to be shown for the wife. However in the 1911 census entry for John Thomas JOHNSON this information had been entered but then crossed out in red.
Andrew your reference to a Louisa JOHNSON in the 1911 census for Bournemouth might be a possible match. Certainly the number of years of marriage and her age seem to tie in. It's a pity she was not born outside of London as this would give a better chance of matching as indeed would be the case if her forename had been given in full. I'm not sure if I can use this information to and answer my original question as to what happened to Louisa Jane Matilda JOHNSON nee COX.
Again thanks for all your input. I guess trying to research JOHNSON and COX is not going to be an easy given that they both fairly common family names.
Regards
John
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12 Jul 2017 04:53 |
Drat
I did find and post GRO Index registrations for 3 of the children from that marriage between James and Louisa, to show all were born in Easthampstead so definitely NOT children of John Thomas and Louisa
for some reason those records didn't show :-( I've met this particular GR gremlin before, but forgot to check.
This is what shows ........
James Johnson 43 Louisa Johnson 38 Fredrick Johnson 14 Emily Johnson 13 Charles Johnson 11 Hilda Johnson 10 Albert Johnson 8 Elizabeth Johnson 6 Elsie Johnson 5 99%) Cox Louisa Ann Easthampstead 2c 923 JOHNSON James Easthampstead 2c 923
herewith what I intended to post .......
James Johnson 43 Louisa Johnson 38 Fredrick Johnson 14 Emily Johnson 13 Charles Johnson 11 Hilda Johnson 10 Albert Johnson 8 Elizabeth Johnson 6 Elsie Johnson 5
JOHNSON, EMILY mmn COX GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 416
JOHNSON, REGINALD CHARLES mmn COX GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 396
JOHNSON, HILDA VICTORIA MAY mmn COX GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 413
JOHNSON, ALBERT EDWARD mmn COX GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 423
Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Cox Louisa Ann Easthampstead 2c 923 JOHNSON James Easthampstead 2c 923
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Andrew
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11 Jul 2017 20:57 |
Possible for Louisa in 1911?????
Servant, married 7 years (so 1904ish) no children
Name: Louisa Johnson Age in 1911: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: London, England Civil Parish: Bournemouth Search Photos: Search for 'Bournemouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 2 Darracott Road, Pokesdown Marital Status: Married Occupation: House Domestic Registration district: Christchurch Registration District Number: 95 Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 260 Piece: 5824 Household Members: Name Age Frank Autin Burnett 32 Caroline Burnett 33 Charles Frank Burnett 3 Alfred George Burnett 2 Hilda Bessie Burnett 5/12 Ellen Maria Combleton 45 Emma Samuel 47 Mary Jane Tiller 45 Esther Mathilda Gatland 16 Louisa Johnson 30
Andy
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Jul 2017 20:43 |
Those births are possibly NOT from your marriage .......................
1911 Census
Name: James Johnson Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Bray Search Photos: Search for 'Bray' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street address: Folijon Park Cottage, Braywood Marital Status: Married Years Married: 14 Estimated Marriage Year: 1897 Occupation: Farm Waggoner Registration district: Maidenhead Registration District Number: 123 Sub-registration district: Maidenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 175 Piece: 6642
James Johnson 43 Louisa Johnson 38 Fredrick Johnson 14 Emily Johnson 13 Charles Johnson 11 Hilda Johnson 10 Albert Johnson 8 Elizabeth Johnson 6 Elsie Johnson 5 99%) Cox Louisa Ann Easthampstead 2c 923 JOHNSON James Easthampstead 2c 923
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Andrew
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11 Jul 2017 20:41 |
This might fit some of the above posts (Elsie and Thomas births
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%) Cox Louisa Ann Easthampstead 2c 923 JOHNSON James Easthampstead 2c 923
Name: Elsie Johnson Age in 1911: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1906 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Winkfield Civil Parish: Bray Search Photos: Search for 'Bray' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street address: Folijon Park Cottage, Braywood Occupation: School Registration district: Maidenhead Registration District Number: 123 Sub-registration district: Maidenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 175 Piece: 6642 Household Members: Name Age James Johnson 43 Louisa Johnson 38 Fredrick Johnson 14 Emily Johnson 13 Charles Johnson 11 Hilda Johnson 10 Albert Johnson 8 Elizabeth Johnson 6 Elsie Johnson 5 Thomas Johnson 2 William Johnson 1
Andy
EDIT. Thinking along same lines as Sylvia!
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Jul 2017 20:37 |
BTW ..............
Easthampstead is in Berkshire
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Jul 2017 20:24 |
(saw below)
Chris :)
National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thos Arthur Last name Johnson Birth year 1908 Birth date 18 Apr 1908 Event year 1913 School name Braywood Church of England First School Town Braywood County Berkshire Parent name(s) Jas Johnson Book type Admissions
First name(s) Elsie Louisa Last name Johnson Birth year 1906 Birth date 13 Mar 1906 Event year 1911 School name Braywood Church of England First School Town Braywood County Berkshire Parent name(s) James Johnson
Deaths Jun 1964 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------- JOHNSON THOMAS A 56 WINDSOR 6A 196
Berkshire Burial Index Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas Arthur Last name Johnson Age 56 Birth year 1908 Marital status married Occupation Tractor Driver Burial date 04 Jun 1964 Church Henley Rd Crematorium (Caversham) Place Reading Notes died 26 May County Berkshire
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Jul 2017 20:05 |
The 1911 Census would not show him as having any children UNLESS his wife had died and he had the children ....................
............... number of years married and number of children born/died/living were supposed to be shown for the wife.
It is a possible that there were 2 children born to the marriage as posted by rootgatherer, unless you can find another Johnson/Cox marriage.
Perhaps, try to trace those children???
Don't forget ............... marriages broke up just as often in those days as they do today
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malyon
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11 Jul 2017 18:35 |
is this Louisa's death
Deaths Dec 1947 (>99%)
Johnson Louisa J 68 Wandsworth 5d 617
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11 Jul 2017 17:49 |
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: JOHNSON, ELSIE LOUISA COX Order GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 431
JOHNSON, THOMAS ARTHUR COX Order GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 441
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Jul 2017 17:18 |
JOHNSON, JOHN THOMAS (NIGHTINGALE) GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 235
County Huntingdonshire Place Farcet Church name St Mary Register type Parish Register Register entry number 118 Marriage date 27 Dec 1858 Groom forename John Groom surname JOHNSON Groom age 27 Groom condition Bachelor Groom abode Farcet Groom occupation Huckster Bride forename Hannah Bride surname NIGHTINGALE Bride age 21 Bride condition Spinster Bride abode Farcet Groom father forename Samuel Groom father surname JOHNSON Groom father occupation Laborer Bride father forename Joseph Bride father surname NIGHTINGALE Bride father occupation Laborer Witness John BANNISTER Witness Mary JOHNSON Register note Mark of Bride and Groom
Baptism County Huntingdonshire Place Farcet Church name St Mary Register type Parish Register Baptism date 11 Sep 1859 Person forename Clarissa Person abode Farcet Father forename John Father surname JOHNSON Father occupation Laborer Mother forename Hannah
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Chris :)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1288519
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1356646
Edits
Marriages Dec 1886 ---------------------------------------------------------- COX Arthur William F Peterbro' 3b 490 inett
Postems for this entry:
05/03/2015 Married Clarissa Johnson on Nov 7 1886 at St Mark's, Peterborough
Births Dec 1866 (>99%) --------------------------------------- Cox Arthur W F Ely 3b 541
(Baptism, London Ancestry, Arthur William Franklin Cox, born Sept 29 1866, same time, below pair. Parents, William John Franklin.Mary Ann Cox)
Births Mar 1870 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cox George Theodrick W St. Saviour 1d 61
Births Jun 1873 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ Cox Ernest Thomas St. Saviour 1d 63 (Born 11 May 1873)
Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------------ COX George Theodrick W 18 St. Saviour 1d 11
Marriages Sep 1866 ---------------------------------------------------------- SANGSTER Mary A. Ely 3b 878 JWhitmore
Postems for this entry:
15/01/2012 Mary Anne SANGSTER married William John Franklin COX
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
(Probate Arthur 1938, to Clarissa)
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Redwroc
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11 Jul 2017 16:53 |
Can anyone assist me to find more information about my paternal grandmother's Aunt who I can find no trace of after her marriage in 1904,
Louisa Jane Matilda COX was born at 9 Lennox Road in Islington on 12 May 1879. Her father was William COX and her mother was Mary Ann COX nee SANGSTER.
In the 1881 census for Islington she was aged 1 living with her parents and siblings at 9 Lennox Road.
In the 1891 census for Biggleswade she 12 years old and living in Asylum Road with her brother Arthur, his wife Clarissa and their daughter Lily A (my paternal Grandmother). In the Census record Louisa's place of birth is given as London - Finsbury Park.
On 12 October 1904 she married John Thomas JOHNSON in Farcet (Hunts). At the time of marriage Louisa was living in Yaxley (Hunts). The marriage certficate shows my paternal Grandmother as being one of the witnesses so I know I have the correct marriage.
In the 1911 census I found John Thomas JOHNSON (aged 33) born in Farcet (Hunts) and living in Farcet with his sister, her husband (Russell CROFT) and various children. John Thomas JOHNSON is shown as having been married for 5 years (which does not tie in with the date of his marriage) although his age correspondsto that given at the time of his marriage. On the census he is shown as having no children but there is no entry for his wife. According to the GRO index there were no other marriages for a John Thomas JOHNSON in Huntingdonshire between 1904 and 1911 so I assume that this is the right person and that the number of years married is a possible error.
I have searched the 1911 census for a Louisa JOHNSON and can find no record which could possibly be the person I seek. When searching the 1911 index I found over 1500 references to a Louisa Johnson of which only 4 were born in 1879, It is of course possible her age or place of birth could have been incorrectly recorded so without looking at each census record I could not be certain I have found the right person.
I have looked at the GRO index for a possible death of Louisa after the 1911 census with only 1 possibility being found and having purchased the death certificate this proved to not be the correct person.
Any helping in researching this further would be most appreciated.
John
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