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AustinQ
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1 Jul 2017 12:19 |
Kay- Killowen Avenue was where Jean's daughter was born.
Where's the person that has Jean's birth listed there?
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30 Jun 2017 20:25 |
Passenger List from UK. Departure date, 8/10 1946.
****Mrs Jean Maclean, wife of PTE C G Maclean,****
going to,
Mrs JD Maclean.,-mother-in-law. Elm Creek. Winnipeg, Man,--Manitoba.?
last uk home address,
195,Mollinson Way. Queensbury, Edgware. Middlesex,
Jean Last name MacLean Title PTE Gender Unknown Departure year 1946 Departure day 8 Departure month 10 Departure port Southampton Destination port Halifax Destination HALIFAX Country Canada Destination country Canada Ship name Aquitania Ship official number 135583 Ship master's first name J D Ship master's last name SNOW Shipping line CUNARD WHITE STAR LIMITED City SOUTHAMPTON Ship destination port HALIFAX Ship destination country CANADA Ship registered tonnage 19296.77 Number of passengers 599
Thomas needs telling he has the wrong birth cert.
Between 1946 and when C G Maclean married his second wife in 1964/5 ,Jean was off the scene,,did she return to Uk as did many brides of overseas servicemen or remarry in Canada?
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I have found someone who has a JD birth 1920 in Killowen Avenue North Holt Ealing,,,,,,this plus the other addresses from Thomas are within a stones throw of each other.in the Greenford area.!
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ArgyllGran
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30 Jun 2017 18:52 |
And probably his parents' marriage (not that it helps with Jean Davison!):
John D Maclean in the Web: Manitoba, Marriage Index, 1879-1931 Name: John D Maclean Gender: Male Spouse: Frances M Peckover Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1911 Marriage Place: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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ArgyllGran
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30 Jun 2017 18:50 |
Re that obituary: Clifford George's parents with daughter Jean and sons Alex and Earle in 1916:
John D Mcclean in the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta Name: John D Mcclean Gender: Male Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish) Nationality: Canadian Age: 32 Marital Status: Married Birth Year: 1884 Birth Place: Ont Home in 1916: Provencher, Manitoba, Canada Address: 7, 2w, 1, Macdonald Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse: Frances Mcclean Sub-district: 18 Sub District Description: Townships 7, 8 and 9, ranges 1 and 2, W.P.M. Enumeration District: 7 Enumerator's Name: John D Cuddy Dwelling House: 212 Religion: Presbyterian Can Speak English: Yes Can Speak French: No Can Read: Yes Can Write: Yes Occupation: Farmer Employment status: Employer Household Members: Name Age John D Mcclean 32 Frances Mcclean 25 Jean Mcclean 3 Alex Mcclean 2 Earle Mcclean 1
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AustinQ
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30 Jun 2017 18:36 |
Kay- you're a star!!
Not sure if that obituary is for the right Clifford- HOWEVER:-
1946 electoral register
161 Sudbury Heights Avenue
Dennis A Brunning Edna A Brunning Jean Maclean<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Eileen Meek Gladys Shelton Peter Shelton -------------------------------------------
161 Sudbury Heights is where Thomas said that Jean was living- so the marriage looks to be correct.
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30 Jun 2017 18:04 |
Jean Davison married Clifford G Maclean in Brentford 1946 she may have reverted back to her maiden name.and this could be her.?
There is no outward sailing list for them but maybe Canadian access help is needed.
C G Maclean doesnt show in births nor in Scotland,but have found the below obituary where he had stepchildren so possibly Nellie is a second marriage.?
Edit -*Nellie has since passed away*Maclean was a second marriage.
CLIFFORD GEORGE MacLEAN Clifford George (Cliff), beloved husband of Nellie MacLean of Calgary, passed away peacefully at the Colonel Belcher Veterans Care Centre on August 6, 2001 at the age of 79 years. Cliff was born and raised in Manitoba. He served with the Canadian Army (Artillery) during the Second World War in France, where he was wounded in action. Cliff and Nellie moved to Calgary in 1978. During his time in Calgary, Cliff was employed at the Colonel Belcher in security. Cliff will be lovingly remembered by his wife of 36 years, Nellie; stepson Lockey; stepdaughters, Audrey, Donalda and Cleo; grandchildren, Carlissa, Crystall, Jacqueline and Lockey Jr.; brother Cameron; sister Anna Marie; and many other relatives and friends. He was predeceased by his parents, John and Frances MacLean; sisters, Jean and Audrey; brothers, Alex, Earle, Douglas, Harold and Hugh. A graveside service was held in the Field of Honour at Queens Park Cemetery on Saturday, August 11 at 10:00 a.m. A memorial service was held in the Chapel of the Colonel Belcher Veterans Care Centre on Saturday, August 11 at 2:00 p.m., with Chaplain Philip Costain officiating. As published in the Winnipeg Free Press on Sep 22, 2001.
Both the 1938 and 1946 marriiage certificates would be of help.
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30 Jun 2017 12:38 |
Another thing stated by Thomas,
Divorce proceedings was done in 1944.......so another marriage prior to that would have been bigamy and carried a prison sentence.
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AustinQ
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30 Jun 2017 11:59 |
I agree- something's not right.
Tree on Ancestry has a photo of Valerie Jean with her Mum Jean Davison dated about 1941.
Another tree has a photo of the Jean Davison that married James Nairn.
I can't say they look like the same person.
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29 Jun 2017 21:23 |
Henry A Langfield,
married in Paisley Scotland 1950.and again in 1970 also in Paisley where his death is also recorded in 2013 Henry Alfred Langfield aged 95.giving a birth year of 1918.! obituary states passed away 12 August was a father.grandfather and gt grandfather.
,,,,,,a possible site tree search may help.
I wonder if the 1920 bith certificate is the correct one.? as by July-Sept 1938 when the marriage took place in London a long way from Newcastle !
Jean would still be only 18 and by law needed parental consent and by the 1939 register taken in Sept 1939 was back using her maiden name.and living in Newcastle.
Perhaps the 1938 marriage certificate would be best got to get a fathers name.and her given age and address.
the 1941 Nairn marriage cant be her as in 1946 she still using Langfied and living in Greenford Middlesex..
Also by 1946 /7 people were flying to US and Canada.so wont appear on a passenger list from UK.
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greyghost
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29 Jun 2017 13:16 |
Using the free site mentioned before - https://www.freebmd.org.uk
you can see the births of children to the probable Nairn/Davison marriage, their subsequent marriages and children they then may have had up to 1983. After that you would need a commercial site where bmd's go up to 2006
The Ancestry tree says that James Garfield Nairn was Newcastle born - as was his Father (of the same name). You can see them together on the 1911 census.
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jun 2017 12:12 |
To access the Nairn Heritage tree, you'll need to have a subscription to Ancestry.
Search for Jean Davison 1920 in "Public Member Trees", then find Nairn Heritage in the list of results.
You can get a 14-day free trial sub to Ancestry if you're not already a member, but remember to cancel before the end of the 14 days if you don't want to have to pay.
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Thomas Augustine
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29 Jun 2017 11:36 |
Jean Davison was married to Henry Alfred Langfield in 1939 sued for a devorce sometime in 1944 remarried before divorce was final probably to Nairn I believe him to be a Canadian serviceman. She lived at 232 Whitton Avenue Greenford Midds in 1946 and at 161 Sudbury Hts Ave. Greenford Jean and Henry had a daughter Born 29/1/1939 who was adopted by Mr & Mrs Baldock in Birmingham attached Jean Davison birht cert and Her daughter Valerie Jeans Birth cert How do I access Nairn Heritage? Many thanks for all your help How do I attach documents and photos
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jun 2017 22:40 |
Can't see her travelling to or from Canada under any of her surnames. She would have been Nairn in 1946-7, in any case, not Davison or Langfield. If she did go, she must obviously have come back again.
There are a number of photos of her, and other relatives, on a tree on Ancestry - tree name "Nairn Heritage" - tree owner gnairn1. Also in a tree owned by James Peebles, though he seems to have copied it from the Nairn tree.
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greyghost
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28 Jun 2017 19:54 |
Her death England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) JEAN Last name NAIRN Gender Unknown Birth day 17 Birth month 3 Birth year 1920 Age - Death quarter 1 Death year 2006 District Newcastle upon Tyne District number 0531D Register number D72C Entry number 039 Date of registration mm/yy 0206 County Northumberland
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greyghost
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28 Jun 2017 19:25 |
Married as Davison in 1941
England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
First name(s) JEAN Last name DAVISON Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1941 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ JEAN DAVISON married James G Nairn Spouse's last name Nairn District Newcastle upon Tyne District number - County Northumberland Country England Volume 10B Page 98
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greyghost
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28 Jun 2017 19:24 |
The family in 1939 - shows Jean's DOB which matches the date on the birth certificate. AS the record is open to view it would indicate (more than likely) that it is known she has died. Records for people born after 1915 are supposed to be closed unless it's known they have died)
It also shows that she changed her name to Nairn at some point after the 1939 register was compiled Davison Household (6 People) 54 Elswick Road , Newcastle-upon-Tyne C.B., Northumberland, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Thomas W Davison 22 Feb 1875 Male City Lighting Attendant Married 222 1 Annie Davison 17 Apr 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 222 2 Norman Davison 08 May 1913 Male Grocers Warehouseman Single 222 3 Jean Nairn (Davison) 17 Mar 1920 Unknown Tea Warehouse Packers Single 222 4 Ivy Astrop (Watson) 24 May 1920 Unknown Toffe Deppes Single 222 5 David Watson 06 Mar 1925 Male Grocers Errand Boy Single 222 6
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greyghost
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28 Jun 2017 19:12 |
Other Newcastle births to Davison/Holmes. (There are others in the time frame but Middlesborough and Tynemouth, so probably other Davison/Holmes marriage. you can see them on freebmd)
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Jun 1913 (>99%) Davison Norman Holmes Newcastle T. 10b 353
Births Jun 1920 (>99%) Davison Jean Holmes Newcastle T. 10b 154 Jean born March, but there are 6 weeks allowed in which to register a birth so can often fall into the next Quarter
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28 Jun 2017 19:07 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DAVISON, GLADYS MATILDA FOTHERGILL HOLMES Order GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 4 DAVISON, THOMAS HOLMES HOLMES Order GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 162
DAVISON, JOSEPH EDWARD HOLMES Order GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 142
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DAVISON, ERNEST WILLIAM HOLMES Order GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 124
DAVISON, JOHN GEORGE HOLMES Order GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 147
----------------------- And the deaths from the GRO site - gives ages from 1837 - 1957 (other sites only start giving ages from c 1870's. Be careful though the site can't tell years from months.
Name: Age at Death (in years): DAVISON, ERNEST WILLIAM 3 Order GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 88 DAVISON, THOMAS HOLMES 4 Order GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 85
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28 Jun 2017 19:02 |
Looks like one of the children that died is Thomas H
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 6, Longhorn Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, Byker, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas W Davison Head Married Male 27 1874 Commissioner Agent Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Annie H Davison Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Alston, Cumberland, England Gladys M Davison Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Thomas H Davison Son - Male 0 1901 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
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28 Jun 2017 18:54 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 82 Portland Road Newcastle-On Tyne, Byker, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Thomas Davison Head Married Male Lamplighter 37 1874 Northumberland Newcastle Annie Davison Wife Married Female - 32 1879 Cumberland Alston Gladys Davison Daughter Single Female - 14 1897 Northumberland Newcastle Joseph Davison Son Single Male - 7 1904 Northumberland Newcastle George Davison Son Single Male - 0 1911 Northumberland Newcastle William Holmes Uncle Single Male Labourer Plater 64 1847 Cumberland Alston
Original says that have been married 15 years. 5 children had been born to the marriage up to that point with 3 still living, but 2 had died
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