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29 Jun 2017 19:43 |
Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HIGGINSON Thomas MCGUIRE Mary A Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended Prescot R/96/14
[Pre-1898, only C of E, jews and quakers (and registrara) were authorized to keep official marr rego's. After 1898, non-conformist could apply to be authorized, but the RCs chose not to aplly until 1980-ish. So if this were a non-conformist marr in a church not authorized to keep an official marr reggo, the registrar would have to attend with his official marr rego for the couple to sign to complete the marr ceremony. There is nothing to prevent the church from keeping its own record of such a marr, and this record could well contain difft info from the official marr rego entry. E.g., RC marr records typically latinize the names of the participants.]
Using https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl Births Jun 1913 (>99%) Higginson Mary McGuire Prescot 8b 1402
Births Jun 1914 (>99%) HIGGINSON Margaret McGuire Prescot 8b 1447
Births Jun 1917 (>99%) Higginson John McGuire Prescot 8b 1201
Births Mar 1920 (>99%) Higginson Agnes McGuire Prescot 8b 1791
Births Jun 1924 (>99%) HIGGINSON Winifred McGUIRE Prescot 8b 1295
Births Mar 1926 (>99%) Higginson Thomas McGuire Prescot 8b 1231
Deaths Jun 1920 (>99%) HIGGINSON Agnes 0 Prescot 8b 784
HIGGINSON, AGNES 4 Order GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 784 [The new GRO index gives the age at death for infants under 2 y.o. in months]
I wonder if Tom & Mary's siblings also wed:
Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%) Higginson Georgina McGuire Prescot 8b 1058 McGuire John Higginson Prescot 8b 1058
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PatW
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28 Jun 2017 17:46 |
Mary born 1913 Prescot Liverpool and Margaret 1914 also born in Prescot. No marriage for Mary but Margaret married Joseph Goulbourne 03/09/1938.
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 11:54 |
Patsy- what were the names of their daughters?
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PatW
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28 Jun 2017 11:14 |
Thank you all for your input. Such a lot to look at and make a decision. First of all I'm going to apply for the marriage certificate of Thomas and Mary so I know what their fathers names are and then I can look at the above. Patsy.
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 09:25 |
I think George Mcguire Higginson born 1911 was also possibly a son of Georgina- he's on the 1939 register with Georgina (listed as George H Mcguire)
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 09:21 |
There is also the John Mcguire Higginson on the 1911:
First name(s) JOHN MCGURIE Last name HIGGINSON Birth year 1906 Birth quarter 1 District Prescot County Lancashire Volume 8B Page 760
I suspect his mother was Georgina- although initial of mother was given as E on the record below, the address was the same as Georgina's was in 1939:
Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 First name(s) John Mcguire Last name Higginson Age 18 Birth year 1905 Birth place Widnes Attestation year 1923 Service number 750216 Mother: E Mcg 98 Greenway Road, Widnes
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Dea
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28 Jun 2017 09:10 |
Looks like a 'possible' additional child born before their marriage?
HIGGINSON, GEORGE MCGUIRE - Order GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 1380
Dea x
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 09:01 |
Looks like Mary's brother, John, married Thomas sister, Georgina:
Marriages Mar 1918 Higginson Georgina McGuire Prescot 8b 1058 McGuire John Higginson Prescot 8b 1058 ----------------------------------------------
1939 McGuire Household 98 Greenway Road , Widnes M.B., Lancashire,
John McGuire 01 May 1885 Male Chemical Labourer (Heav Wo Married Georgina McGuire 17 Oct 1889 Female Unapid Domestic Du? Married Patrick J McGuire 01 Aug 1922 Male Biel Po?ter Single Winifred Rutledge (Mcguire) 19 Aug 1923 Female Clerk In W S Offi Single Mary Ridgeway (Mcguire) 16 Jan 1925 Female Domestic Servant Single George H McGuire 07 Oct 1911 Male Teellow Melter Married
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 08:58 |
There's no initial on the marriage, but this looks likely for Thomas and family- note same street/ area as Mary's family:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 18, Cross Street, Widnes, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John C Higginson Head Married Male 39 1862 Chemical Labourer Frodsham, Cheshire Charlotte A Higginson Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Thomas W Higginson Son Single Male 15 1886 Soap Works Labourer Widnes, Lancashire, Georgina Higginson Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Widnes, Lancashire, Alfred Higginson Son Single Male 11 1890 - Widnes, Lancashire, Emily E Higginson Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Widnes, Lancashire, England Charlotte A Higginson Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Widnes, Lancashire, Margaret Higginson Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Widnes, Lancashire, John C Higginson Son Single Male 0 1901 - Widnes, Lancashire, -------------------------------------------
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 18 Cross St Widnes, Widnes, Lancashire, England
John Charles Higginson Head Married Male Chemical Labourer 51 1860 Cheshire Frodsham Charlotte Ann Higginson Wife Married Female - 52 1859 Liverpool Lancs Thomas William Higginson Son Single Male Chemical Labourer 24 1887 Widnes Lancs Georgina Higginson Daughter Single Female General Servant Domestic 22 1889 Widnes Lancs Alfred Higginson Son Single Male Chemical Labourer 19 1892 Widnes Lancs Margaret Higginson Daughter Single Female - 12 1899 Widnes Lancs John Charles Higginson Son Single Male - 10 1901 Widnes Lancs John Mc Guire Higginson Grandson - Male - 5 1906 Widnes Lancs
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 08:52 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 25, Cross Street, Widnes, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John McGuire Head Married Male 37 1864 Labourer Copper Wks Ireland Bridget McGuire Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Ireland John McGuire Son Single Male 15 1886 Labourer Copper Wks Widnes, Lancashire Mary A McGuire Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Widnes, Lancashire Maggie McGuire Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Widnes, Lancashire, Joseph T McGuire Son Single Male 9 1892 - Widnes, Lancashire, England Eddy McGuire Son Single Male 7 1894 - Widnes, Lancashire, England Agnes McGuire Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Widnes, Lancashire, England Mark Coyle Uncle Single Male 50 1851 Labourer Copper Wks Ireland ----------------------------------------
Same family 1911:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 92 Midwood Street Widnes, Widnes, Lancashire, England
John McGuire Head Married Male Chemical 45 1866 Co Cavan Ireland John McGuire Son Single Male Chemical 24 1887 Widnes Lankshire Mary McGuire Daughter Single Female - 20 1891 Widnes Lankshire Agnes McGuire Daughter Single Female - 9 1902 Widnes Lankshire Eddy McGuire Son Single Male Clogger 16 1895 Widnes Lankshire Bridget McGuire Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Co Cavan Ireland
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AustinQ
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28 Jun 2017 08:37 |
Possible:
1939 register: Higgenson Household 88 Midwood Street , Widnes M.B., Lancashire, England
Thomas Higgenson 15 Apr 1886 Male Iron Foundry Labourer Heavy Worker Single Mary Higgenson 10 Dec 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married John Higgenson 19 May 1917 Male Furnace Man Ferro Alloy Single Mary Higgenson 26 Mar 1913 Female Incapacitated Single Closed Record ------------------------------------------
John McGuire (widowed) born 1863 living at 92 Midwood Street. ----------------------------------
Births of children on 1939 register possibly fit with:
Births Jun 1913 Higginson Mary McGuire Prescot 8b 1402
Births Jun 1917 Higginson John McGuire Prescot 8b 1201
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SylviaInCanada
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28 Jun 2017 04:22 |
The best way is for you to buy the marriage certificate. That will tell you the ages of the Thomas and Mary when they married (or the ages they claimed to be :-D ), the addresses they were living at, the names of their fathers and their occupations, and the names of witnesses may help in tracing them.
The certificate will cost you £9.25, incl. p&p, from GRO
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malyon
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28 Jun 2017 00:18 |
there are 6 births for Higginson/McGuire marriage in preston so could be their children
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malyon
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28 Jun 2017 00:12 |
it will be hard to find when they were born unless you can find their deaths you will have to send for the marriage cert it will give ages
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PatW
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28 Jun 2017 00:07 |
That's the right marriage but I don't know where they were born. Think Thomas would be born in the Liverpool area but I don't know about .Mary. There is a Mary Ann born in Prescot 1892 and a Mary Agnes born in Prescot 1893 but I don't know which married Thomas
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malyon
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28 Jun 2017 00:02 |
Marriages Dec 1912 Higginson
Thomas McGuire1267 McGuire Mary A Higginson Prescot Prescot 8b
8b 1267
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malyon
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27 Jun 2017 23:59 |
did Thomas and mary have middle names w ere they born in prescot?
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PatW
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27 Jun 2017 23:47 |
Thomas and Mary were married in Prescot, Liverpool area in 1912. They had two daughters but when were Thomas and Mary born and who were their parents. I would be grateful of any help.
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