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Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Kevin	Report	19 Jun 2017 14:42
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Hi, I had a revious thread on this tooic that ony partly answered the question so asking for more help. what I know: Gertrude Abraham b 25/05/1880 Father Joseph Abraham B 1839 - Bedfordshire Mother Annie Royston B 1843 Grantham Lincs I have the 1871 /1881 census for them and their children I know that in 1891 Joseph is no more and Annie is living with a JoSeph Gunson/Glaine from then onwards. So don't really need that side of the research. My interest is in Joseph Abraham. I cannot go further back - on his marriage cert to my gt gt nan his fathers name is 'John abraham' I don't even know if originally was from Bedfordshire as it was the cenus that gave me this. So I would dearly love to know anything on his history thanks kevin
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,418 Send Message	Maddie	Report	19 Jun 2017 15:44
	??? 1881 England Census Census & Electoral Rolls View Image Name: Joseph Abraham Spouse: Annie Abraham Birth: abt 1839 - Corneth, Bedfordshire, England Residence: 1881 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Name: Joseph Abram Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 May 1822 Baptism Date: 12 May 1839 Baptism Place: Eaton Bray,Bedford,England Father: Robert Abram Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 1279092 1841 Name: Joseph Abraham Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Eaton Bray Hundred: Manshead County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Luton Sub-registration district: Dunstable Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5 Book: 11 Folio: 7 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Abraham 15 Moor End, Eaton Bray, Luton, Bedfordshire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Robert Abraham Male 40 1801 Bedfordshire, England Transcription Mary Abraham Female 40 1801 - Transcription Joseph Abraham Male 15 1826 Bedfordshire, England Transcription George Abraham Male 15 1826 Bedfordshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Abraham Female 11 1830 Bedfordshire, England Transcription Caroline Abraham Female 7 1834 Bedfordshire, England Transcription Emma Abraham Female 4 1837 Bedfordshire, England
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Kevin	Report	19 Jun 2017 16:00
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Hi Maddie, thanks for this. Im not sure about Bedfordshire on his marriage cert he has put John as his fathers name not Robert also thebirth date discrepency is huge. Do you think he could have been born nearby but not Bedford?. I can tfind anything. Thanks again :-(
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	19 Jun 2017 16:05
	???? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Brook House, Groespluan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Abraham Head Married Male 55 1796 Farmer Of 140 Acres Emoploys 4 Labs Shropshire, England Transcription Mary Abraham Wife Married Female 55 1796 Farmers Wife Shropshire, England Transcription Samuel Abraham Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farmers Son Shropshire, England Transcription Joseph Abraham Son Unmarried Male 13 1838 Scholar Shropshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Transcription Margaret Abraham Servant Unmarried Female 40 1811 House Servant - Transcription William Breeze Servant Unmarried Male 43 1808 Farm Lab Montgomeryshire, Wales Transcription John Evans Servant Unmarried Male 40 1811 Farm Lab Montgomeryshire, Wales what is his fathers occupation on marriage cert ?
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,293 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	19 Jun 2017 16:14
	Kevin's earlier thread about this family.: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333477 Might save repetition of research.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 12,081 Send Message	Andrew	Report	19 Jun 2017 16:31
	Looking for Joseph in earlier census Possible 1861?? Name: Joseph Abraham Age: 22 Estimated birth year: 1839 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Cromer, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Gosberton County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Spalding Sub-registration district: Gosberton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 39 Piece: 2322 Folio: 62 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Wlyatt 58 Elizabeth Wlyatt 57 Mary Wlyatt 22 Martha Wlyatt 18 William Benser 5 Joseph Abraham 22 and(long shot possible) with name change ???????? Name: Joseph Addams Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Gender: Male Where born: Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Flitwick Hundred: Redbornestoke County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Ampthill Sub-registration district: Ampthill Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 6 Book: 9 Folio: 17 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age John Addams 35 Sarah Addams 35 Thos Addams 16 Robert Addams 12 Wm Addams 10 Richard Addams 7 >>>>>Joseph Addams 2 Andy
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Kevin	Report	19 Jun 2017 16:34
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Hi safc, thanks for this. I did see this one but the birth place mentioned is shropshire. On the marriage cert it states Jon is a labourer. The marriage cert is from 1863 and it was in The oarish church in sheffield. It doesnt say that John his father is dead so he was still alive in 1863 do you think Margaret Abraham Servant Unmarried Female 40 1811 House Servant is his sister?
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Kevin	Report	19 Jun 2017 17:36
Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 99 Send Message	Hi Andrew, deffo looks like him in the 1861 census- he must have moved before his wedding not sure about the name change and if this is the Jospeh and John thank you for your help
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	19 Jun 2017 18:30
	http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/SchoolsIndex.html (some of those children of Joseph look to be on above, from 1881 on other 'Thread') Chris :) Births Mar 1872 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------- Abrahams Louisa Sheffield 9c 483 Births Mar 1877 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- ABRAHAMS Bernard Sheffield 9c 594 Births Mar 1874 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- ABRAHAMS Claude Sheffield 9c 567 http://bedsarchives.bedford.gov.uk/ArchivesAndRecordOffice.aspx (might be an idea to contact above, and ask about Corneth as a place, not seeing on Parishes below) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Where/ParishIndex
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	19 Jun 2017 20:43
	Kevin ............. Just becasue a marriage certificate says that a father is not deceased, does not mean that he is alive! It just means that the vicar did not ask the correct question. If he asked .......... "What is your father's name and occupation?" The reply might give those 2 pieces of information, and the fact that he is deceased may not be given If the vicar asked .......... "What is your father's name and occupation? And is he still alive? THEN the full information would be given On the other hand, people have been known to say that their father was deceased when he was not .............. sometimes because he had left the family and it was easier to say that, or maybe the child had been told that the father was dead. In other words, don't take the deceased or not information on a marriage certificate as the absolute truth. Also be aware that the same might apply to the father's name! Some illegitimate children have even been known to give a false name for the father
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

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