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This info MIGHT be of use later if Thomas Alfred Mills gives his father as Joseph Mills or Thomas Parnell/Purnell on his marriage certificate and Thomas Alfred Mills and Thomas James Mills are the same person.

Possible birth reg ?? (fits with birth date given (29th June 1869) in details posted above by AustinQ

MILLS, THOMAS JAMES mother's maiden name KELL
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 857

Parents marriage??:
Marriages Dec 1855
COVELL James Lewisham 1d 950
KELL Phoebe Lewisham 1d 950 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mills Joseph Lewisham 1d 950 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
STONEHAM Emily Blanch Lewisham 1d 950
WOOD Samuel Lewisham 1d 950

Marriage details:

Place: Parish Church of St Thomas Woolwich Kent
Groom: Joseph Mills, aged 25, (Bat), Occ: Stoker, of St Thomas
Bride: Pheobe Kell, aged 20, (Spin) of St Thomas
Grooms father: Thomas Mills occ: Yeoman
Brides father: William Kell occ: Shipwright
Witnesses: Wm Kell and Emma Kell (Wm signed Emma made her mark)
Joseph Mills signed his name but Pheobe made her mark)


Phoebe in 1861 census:


Phoebe Mills
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Phoebe Mills
County London, Kent
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Woolwich, London, Kent, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Marys
Registration District Greenwich
Residence Note Godfrey Street
Gender Female
Age 25
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated) 1836
Birthplace Woolwich, Kent
Page Number 55
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 406 / 73
Affiliate Record Type Household


William Kell Head M 60 Deptford, Kent<<<(Phoebe's father??
Jophen Kell Wife F 59 Woolwich, Kent**********************************
James Kell Son M 19 Woolwich, Kent
James Burt Lodger M 39 ..., Dorset
Emma Burt Wife F 27 Woolwich, Kent
Thos Burt Boarder M 30 ..., Devon
Phoebe Mills Lodger F 25 Woolwich, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<

***************Phoebe's mother mistakenly recorded as Jophen should be Sophia




Possibly Joseph in the 1861 census:


Joseph Mills
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Joseph Mills
County Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place , Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad,
Registration District Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Gender Male
Age 31
Marital Status Married
Occupation Stoker
Birth Year (Estimated) 1830
Birthplace England
Page Number 2
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 4434 / 206
Affiliate Record Type Household




1871 census:


Phoeby Mills
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Phoeby Mills
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Woolwich, London, Kent, England
Enumeration District 8
Gender Female
Age 35
Marital Status Widowed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation Laundress
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1836
Birthplace Woolwich, Kent
Entry Number 23

Albina Mills Daughter F 7 Woolwich, Kent
John Mills Son M 5 Millwall, Middlesex
William Mills Son M 3 Millwall, Middlesex
Thomas Mills Son M 1 Woolwich, Kent




2nd marriage for Phoebe:

Marriages Jun 1874
Hole Thomas Kittle Woolwich 1d 1273
MILLS Phoebe Woolwich 1d 1273 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PARNELL Thomas Nicholas Woolwich 1d 1273 <<<<<<<<<<<<
WHEATLEY Jane Ann Woolwich 1d 1273



1881census family name recorded as Purnell:


Thomas Purnell
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Thomas Purnell
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Woolwich, London,Kent, England
Registration District Woolwich
Residence Note Orchard Street
Gender Male
Age 70
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation Painter
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1811
Birthplace Devonport, Cornwall, England
Page Number 25
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 742/40
Affiliate Record Type Household

Thomas Purnell Head M 70 Devonport, Cornwall, England
Phoebe Purnell Wife F 46 Woolwich, Kent, England
Henry Purnell Son M 6 Woolwich, Kent, England
Thomas Purnell Son M 10 Woolwich, Kent, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sophia Well Mother F 79 Deptford, Kent, England***********************

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Thomas recorded as Purnell not Mills
**************** Sophia Kell surname mistakenly recorded as Well, Phoebe's mother.

This is Henry's birth reg confirming mother's maiden name Kell

PARNELL, HENRY NICHOLAS mother's maiden name KELL
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 985


The Kell family in 1841 census:

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Willm Keld
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Willm Keld
Titles and Terms NULL
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Woolwich, Kent, England
Residence Note Godfrey Street
Gender Male
Age 40-44
Age (Original) 40
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1797-1801
Birthplace Kent
Registration District Greenwich
Parish Woolwich
County Kent
Page Number 17
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 493/11
Affiliate Record Type Institution
Household

Willm Keld M 40-44 Kent
Sophia Keld F 35-39 Kent
Will Keld M 9 Kent
Emma Keld F 7 Kent
Phoebe Keld F 6 Kent
Henry Keld M 4 Kent
Alfred Keld M 2 Kent
Estha Keld F 75-79 Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< William's mother???

Possible baptism for William Kell


Willm. Kell
England Births and Christenings
Name Willm. Kell
Gender Male
Christening Date 18 Jan 1801
Christening Date (Original) 18 JAN 1801
Christening Place SAINT NICHOLAS,DEPTFORD,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name Stephen Kell
Mother's Name Esther

Well found, AQ!

Thomas is still with Edith - listed on the electoral registers in 1939 as Thomas Alfred Mills.

London, England, Electoral Registers 1938/39
30 Caradoc Street, Greenwich

Thomas Alfred Mills
Edith Florence Mills
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However, after 1939 he lists himself as Thomas J Mills. This is him and Florence on the 1939 register:

Mills Household (3 People) 30 Caradoc Street , Greenwich, London, England

Edith F Mills 20 Nov 1872 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Thomas J Mills 29 Jun 1869 Male Retired Married
Walter T Spoven 09 Nov 1910 Male Marker Out Engineer Single
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Thomas Death listed with initial J:

First name(s) THOMAS J
Last name MILLS
Gender Male
Birth year 1870
Age 80
Death quarter 2
Death year 1950
District Greenwich
County London
Volume 5C Page 520
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After Thomas' death, Edith is living at the same address with Arthur E Smith and Grace Smith (nee Fuller).

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
61 Victoria Road Charlton, Charlton and Kidbrooke, London, England

Thomas Alfred Mills Head Married Male Cabman 41 1870 Woolwich London
Edith Florence Mills Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Shooters Hill London

Edith married 19 years, no children.

Maybe - with names round the wrong way ????

Alfred Thomas Mills
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Alfred Thomas Mills
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent
Residence: Eltham, Kent <<<<<<<<<<<<(as in 1901)
Death Date: 31 Mar 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Woolwich
Rank: Rifleman
Regiment: Rifle Brigade
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: S/28232
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre


EDIT:

NO, not him - see AQ's posts below.

Still waiting for marriage certificate for Annie CHAPMAN and Thomas Alfred MILLS. As we live in New Zealand it takes a couple of weeks to get here. I am still having difficulties in finding the death of Thomas Alfred MILLS. I have found his wife Anne and his daughter Mahala Rose Mills in the 1911 Census living at 22 Foxlow Street, Bermondsey working in the Pink's Jam Factory. It states that Anne had been married for 22 years and NOT that she was a widow. I am wondering if this had anything to do with the military or work somewhere else? I can't find any information for this though. Any ideas? Thanks Ann

Thanks. This is all very helpful

A possibility perhaps??

The Alfred Chapman living as a boarder in the 1901 census might be Ann Mills (nee Chapman) ilegitimate son

Birth reg:
CHAPMAN, ALFRED GEORGE -
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 02A Page 532

Baptism:
County Kent
Place (link for place information) Shorne
Church name St Peter and St Paul
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1172
Baptism date 14 Dec 1884
Person forename Alfred George
Person sex ?
Person abode Shorne <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother forename Ann <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother surname CHAPMAN<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



In the 1891 census Alfred is living with his grandparents Charles and Mahala (see above)

In the same census Charles and Mahala have a son William born c1879 recorded

This looks to be his baptism: (Note they were living in Shone at this time)


County Kent
Place (link for place information) Chalk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 83
Baptism date 24 Nov 1878
Person forename William
Person sex ?
Person abode Shorne<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father forename Charles
Father surname CHAPMAN
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mahala


This looks like Ann Mills (nee Chapman) in the 1881 census


Ann Chapman
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Ann Chapman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Chalk, Kent, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration District North Aylesford
Gender Female
Age 15
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Domestic Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1866
Birthplace Northfleet, Kent, England
Page Number 12
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 878/89
Affiliate Record Type Household


William Brown Head M 44 Chalk, Kent, England
Susan Brown Wife F 46 Wrotham, Kent, England
Archibald Brown Son M 16 Chalk, Kent, England
Stuart Brown Son M 11 Chalk, Kent, England
Thomas Brown Son M 3 Chalk, Kent, England
Ada E Allen Visitor F 21 Lewisham, Kent, England
Marion Pitt Servant F 18 Shorne, Kent, England
Ann Chapman Servant F 15 Northfleet, Kent, England<<<<<<<<<<<<

when you get the marriage cert
please reply on here with fathers names

abby

Thank you so much for your help. I have been in contact with a person who says that her Anne Chapman's line comes from the same people you have mentioned in the 1901 census, but she didn't marry Thomas Alfred MILLS and the predecessors were entirely different. Your help has made a few things a lot clearer and I will now apply for the marriage certificate to obtain Anne Chapman's father. Thanks again and if you come up with any more information I will greatly appreciate it.

Marriages Jun 1857 (>99%)
Carter Mahala N. Aylesford 2a 407
Chapman Charles N Aylesford 2a 407
Johnson Henry N Aylesford 2a 407
Neven Elizabeth N Aylesford 2a 407

Mother's Maiden Surname:
CHAPMAN, ANN CARTER Order
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 02A Page 333

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brick House Cottage, Higham, North Aylesford, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Chapman Head - Male 37 1834 - Suffolk, England
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Mahala Chapman Wife - Female 31 1840 - Kent, England
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James Chapman Son - Male 11 1860 - Kent, England
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Emily Chapman Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Kent, England
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George Chapman Son - Male 8 1863 - Kent, England
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Ann Chapman Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Kent, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Charles Chapman Son - Male 3 1868 - Kent, England
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Henry Chapman Son - Male 1 1870 - Kent, England
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John Oliver Boarder - Male 24 1847 - Kent, England
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Alfred Godden Boarder - Male 17 1854 - Kent, England
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William Ingram Boarder - Male 17 1854 - Kent, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bartholomews Cottages, May Place Road, Crayford, Dartford, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Chapman Head Married Male 58 1833 Agricultural Labourer Sussex, England
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Mahala Chapman Wife Married Female 51 1840 - Kent, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Alice Chapman Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Housemaid Domestic Servant Shorne, Kent, England
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William Chapman Son Single Male 12 1879 Agricultural Labourer Kent, England
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Alfred Chapman Grandson Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Strood, Kent, England
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Edward Underhill Lodger Single Male 16 1875 Agricultural Labourer Kent, England


named Daughter after her mother ????

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Chapman Annie Woolwich 1d 1953
Cousins George Woolwich 1d 1953
Harris Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 1953
MILLS Thomas Alfred Woolwich 1d 1953

do you have the marriage cert ?

for fathers name

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
105, Craigton Road, Eltham, Lewisham, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Alfred Mills Head Married Male 32 1869 Cab Driver Woolwich, Kent, England
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Annie Mills Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Northfleet, Kent, England
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Edith Maud Mills Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Woolwich, Kent, England
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Violet Annie Mills Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Woolwich, Kent, England
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Martha Rose Mills Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Woolwich, Kent, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thomas Mills Son - Male 5 1896 - Woolwich, Kent, England
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Alfred Chapman Boarder Single Male 16 1885 Electrical Machine Hand Strood, Kent, England

Could anyone help in my confusion? I am researching my maternal family and have hit a brick wall. I have my Grandmother's birth certificate from Woolwich 1894 stating that her name was Malaha (should be Mahala) Rose MILLS born 29th July 1894 and her father was Thomas Alfred MILLS and her mother was Annie CHAPMAN. I also have the correct 1911 Census for my Grandmother Mahala Rose MILLS and Great Grandmother Anne MILLS (born Northfleet, Kent). My problem is there appears to be be more than one Anne Chapman born same time, same place and I can't work out which family line to travel down. Could someone out there please set me in the right direction? Thanks Ann