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Thomas was born to Caroline Allen unmarried in St Martin's Workhouse. He lived with his grandfather Thomas Allen and Sarah second wife of Thomas and Edmund Thomas's son.

1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Allen
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: BRICKLAYER


Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1058
Book: 10
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Allen 50
Sarah Allen 45
Edmund Allen 15
Thomas Allen 2

1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Allen
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: Newchurch, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Southwark Christ Church
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 80 Broardwall, Christchurch, Southwark.

Occupation: Journeyman Bricklayer
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 163
Piece: 1557
Folio: 183
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Allen 51 Abt 1800 Hants Newchurch
Sarah Allen nee Faulkner 31 Abt 1820 Hants Turnham????????? they have Limehouse but its not.
Thomas Allen 12 Surrey St Martins Errand Boy
Edmund Allen 7 Surrey St Martins *
* This Edmund is Thomas's brother second bastard child of Caroline Allen. I have their baptisms.



1911 England Census

Name: Thomas Allen
Age in 1911: 72
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Martins
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Westminster Chambers, Lodging House, 92 Westminster Bridge Road S E

Marital Status: Single
Occupation: BRICKLAYER
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 31-34
Piece: 1973

These are the only census I have found him on so I need a fresh pair of eyes to have a look for me please.

This info is for a friend.

Thanks in advance Mel.

His father and brothers in 1861?? The age of the older Edmund is way out though.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Meadow Row, Newington, London, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Allen Lodger Widower Male 75 1786 Bricklayer -
WOODENBRIDGE.. Isle of Wight
Edmund Allen - - Male 22 1839 Bricklayer -
RYDE Isle of Wight
Edmund Allen - - Male 17 1844 Charing Cross


Still looking for Thomas.

Sorry Mel, he's determined to stay well hidden. :-S :-S

The older Edmund in the 1861 census is actually Thomas as he is born the right year.
Thanks for looking Alvigal. This family is a real puzzle.

Well, he's still at the 1911 address in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Allen
Relationship Lodger
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 62
Birth year 1839
Occupation Paint Decorator
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed I W RYDE
Birth county Hampshire
Birth county as transcribed HAMPSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street Westminster Bridge Road
Town -
Parish Lambeth
City -
Country England
County London, Surrey
Municipal ward Marsh
Registration district Lambeth
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 403
Folio 7
Page 5
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Dea x

Ok I'm very confused. I thought Thomas was born in Surrey not on the Isle of Wight and he is definitely down as Edmund on the 1861. I think you're correct in saying he's meant to be Thomas but why write Edmund?

This one is a bricklayers labourer born in Ryde, I o W. He has a wife though


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
James Street, Lambeth, London, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Allen Head - Male 30 1841 - Hampshire, England
Transcription
Lydia Allen Wife - Female 24 1847 - Essex, England :-S



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15, Harriett Street, Lambeth, London, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Allen Head Married Male 41 1840 Labourer Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
Transcription
Lydia Allen Wife Married Female 34 1847 Net Worker Mkr Harwich, Essex, England

O gosh I am in a real muddle now.

Alviegal I will try to explain.

Thomas Allen senior c1785 - 1865 was born in Newport IOW he married Maria Parsons 29th March 1808. Their children were:-

James 1809 - 1837 Newchurch Newport IOW

Thomas 1813 Newchurch IOW

Caroline 1815 Newchurch IOW

Frederick 1818 Newchurch IOW

Deborah 1821 - 1890 Newchurch IOW

Edmund 1823 - 1881 Newchurch Hampshire IOW

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Thomas c1785 then married Sarah Faulkner c 1800 Fareham Hampshire on 19th December 1826 in Newchurch.
Sarah died Quarter September 1849 volume 4 page 368 Lambeth London England.

Thomas's youngest son Edmund went under the names of Edward/ Edwin and Edmond/ Edmund.

Thanks Dea for the 1901 and I am sure its the same man as the one on the 1911.

Not sure about the 1881 census Alviegal.

EDIT found him under Workhouse admissions.

Name: Edmund Allen
Birth Date: 1845
Admission Age: 0
Admission Date: 29 Sep 1845
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Westminster
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster
Place: London, England
Title: Castle Street Workhouse Book, Admission and Discharge, 1845-1846
It says Unable to maintain her child





This is Thomas's baptism

Name: Thomas Allen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 21 Jun 1839
Baptism Place: Saint Martin IN The Fields,Westminster,London,England
Mother: Caroline Allen<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FHL Film Number: 561147, 561148, 561149

Name: Edmund Allen
Birth Date: 1845
Admission Age: 0
Admission Date: 29 Sep 1845
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Westminster
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster
Place: London, England
Castle Street Workhouse Book, Admission and Discharge, 1845-1846
Caroline is there and it says she is single and a servant and Unable to Maintain her Child.

1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Allen
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: Newchurch, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Southwark Christ Church
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 80 Broardwall, Christchurch, Southwark.

Occupation: Journeyman Bricklayer
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 163
Piece: 1557
Folio: 183
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Allen 51 Abt 1800 Hants Newchurch
Sarah Allen 31 Abt 1820 Hants Farnham they have Limehouse but its not.
Thomas Allen 12 Surrey St Martins Errand Boy*************
Edmund Allen 7 Surrey St Martins **************