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It might well be impossible for you to find out why she did as she did .........


None of us know her personally, we can only look up and see where she was at certain moments in time, eg one night in 1901 and another night in 1911.

It sounds as though there was a family break-up ............... could well be that the wealthy brother felt himself too respectable to continue to have a sister and her illegitimate twins living with him in his home.

Maybe she felt the censure and left home

Maybe she left home before anyone knew she was pregnant to avoid any "problems".

From the age of the twins, she was around the age of 40 when she had them .......... that could well have had a bearing on her leaving, or being thrown out.


But as I say, you will never know unless you find a personal letter. It is not the kind of thing that would be published in the papers!


As for her calling herself married or widow on the census and on the 1939 ....... an attempt to make the family unit appear respectable, a very common thing to happen.



sorry to be so blunt.

It's probably unlikely you'll ever know the reason, although if she did have a child before the twins, that is most likely it.

Why do you think she had a daughter Ada?

Thank you everyone. I know all of the above as this lady is my great-grandmother. Although you have given me some extra info along the way.

Edmund Roy, one of the twins, lived with her childless sister Gertrude (Shilton) and her husband, John Morrall, a business man in Everton until she died in 1910, so the bit about him being a ' visitor' on the 1911 census is interesting and I shall look this up.

I need to know what happened to Florence immediately before she went to Liverpool. What happened to make her leave a secure, affluent home?

My mum, her granddaughter, who is ailing, desperately wants me to find out why her beloved grandmother left her brother's affluent home to become a laundress. This lady was well travelled and had been to the USA several times with her father's business - which I know all about. I need to know why she left home.

Many thanks.

Edmund is crossed through on the 1911 with his Mum- he appears again in 1911 as a visitor in William Perrin's home:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Oxford Road Waterloo, Waterloo, Lancashire, England

William Perrin Head Widower Male Coachman And Horsetreaker 69 1842 Lancashire Liverpool
Edmond Ray Shelton Visitor Single Male Coachman And Horsetreaker 8 1903 Lancashire Liverpool
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Just to add- the 1939 register above is transcribed incorrectly- Florence is living at 47 Scourfield Street (not Crosfield Street)
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Baptised at 22:

First name(s) Florence Ada
Last name Shilton
Gender Female
Baptism date 06 Jun 1886
Baptism age 22y
Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England
Place Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Father's first name(s) Edward Spencer
Father's last name Shilton
Mother's first name(s) Harriet

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Florence Ada Shilton Head Widow Female Family Laundress 47 1864 Redditch Birmingham Warwickshire
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Frederick Victor Shilton Son - Male - 8 1903 Waterloo Lancashire
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Census details
First name(s) Florence Ada
Last name Shilton
Relationship Head
Marital status Widow
Sex Female
Occupation Family Laundress
Age 47
Birth year 1864
Birth place Redditch Birmingham Warwickshire
Address 30 Cross Street Waterloo
Parish Waterloo
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district West Derby
Registration district number 455
Enumeration district 10
District number -
Sub district Crosby
Sub district number 1
Census reference RG14PN22309 RG78PN1318 RD455 SD1 ED10 SN142
Piece number 22309
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) Florence, Frederick
Other household member last name Shilton
Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

1939 /???
47 Crosfield Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Florence A Shilton 05 Jan 1864 Female Old Age Pensioner Married 18 1

Name: Florence A Shilton
Birth Date: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Sep 1946
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 115

There's no birth for an Ada Shilton with mmn Shilton on the GRO records

Only ones showing
SHILTON, ADA GWILT
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 920

SHILTON, ADA DOROTHY ELIZABETH HAMBLIN
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 356

1911
: Edmound Roy Thillon
[Edmound Roy Shilton]
[Edmond Roy Shilton]
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Waterloo, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Waterloo
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 30 Cross Street Waterloo Lancashire
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 22309
Household Members:
Name Age
Flounes Ada Thilton 47
Frederick Vietn Thillon 8
Edmound Roy Thillon 8

me: Flounes Ada Thilton
[Florence Ada Shilton]
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reddeteh Brzmryham
Civil Parish: Waterloo
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 30 Cross Street Waterloo Lancashire
Marital Status: Widowed ------------------
Occupation: Fannlz Landrer
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 22309
Household Members:
Name Age
Flounes Ada Thilton 47
Frederick Vietn Thillon 8
Edmound Roy Thillon 8

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30 Cross Street Waterloo, Waterloo, Lancashire, England
Florence Ada Shilton Head Widow Female Family Laundress 47 1864 Redditch Birmingham Warwickshire
Frederick Victor Shilton Son - Male - 8 1903 Waterloo Lancashire

An Edmund Roy Shilton is also listed (age 8) but his name has been crossed through.
Florence listed as having 2 children- both still living

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Birth:
SHILTON, FREDERICK VICTOR mmn: SHILTON
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 258

SHILTON, EDMUND ROY mmn: SHILTON
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 259

Florence Ada Shilton gave birth to twin boys in 1903, possibly out of wedlock, after moving from Handsworth to Liverpool. I believe she may have had another child in 1899 called Ada, who possibly died or was adopted. Can anyone help me as I've come up against a brick wall?

She lived in an affluent household with her brother, a dentist, but the 1901 census shows her as a servant in a house in Kings Norton. I am assuming she did something to be outcast from the family home. The birth certificate of the twins, who both survived to old age, shows Florence living in West Derby, Liverpool. It shows their father as being James Frederick Shilton, but I believe this to be untrue as I can find no marriage record (also the same surname Seems a little unbelievable). All my research shows that Florence was unmarried at the time births and the only marriage record I can find is 1914 to Ellis Mason, who died in 1916.

Any help and suggestions most welcome.