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Super stuff, thank you again.
:-D

Possible

Walter Winterholder
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Walter Winterholder
Birth Date: abt 1867
Admission Age: 38
Admission Date: 11 Dec 1905
Discharge Date: 3 Feb 1906
Record Type: Admission and Discharge ( Rheumatism)
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1905

I think it's possible that Clarissa found out Walter was not truthful about his age?

I think this is him in 1911 , single


Name: Walter Edwin Winterholder
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town

Street address: 50 Globe Road, Mile End, London E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Warehouseman ( tin plate worker)
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration District Number: 21
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town North Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 1623
Household Members:
Name Age
Morris Hoffman 36
Annie Hoffman 33
Kate Hoffman 11
Jennie Hoffman 7
Sophie Hoffman 5
Israel Hoffman 1
Arthur Thomas Marshall 43
Walter Edwin Winterholder 43 <<<<<<

On Fanny Amelia's marriage he is William ( Clockmaker)

Name: Fanny Amelia Winterhalder
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Age: 18
Spouse: George Edmonds
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Oct 1874
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Spouse Father: Richard Edmonds
Register Type: Parish Register

WINTERHALDER, WALTER EDWIN SOUTHGATE Order
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 472

You may well have this already but as it's mistranscribed on Anc'... also his age is given as 27 which is way out, but there isn't another one of the same name.

Walter Edwin Winterhalder
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Walter Edwin Winterhalder
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Age: 27
Spouse: Clarissa Jones
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Nov 1902
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Backhouse Winterhalder <<<< Zaccheus Winterhalder ( Jeweller).
Spouse Father: Henry Jones
Register Type: Parish Register

Thank you so much Nyx for the interesting background information. Very much appreciated.
:-D

This is interesting and may have some bearing on Fanny dying of bronchitis , read from

"The cold weather stopped workers from working in the docks where ships were frozen in. If the worker did not work they did not get paid and the arctic conditions lasted so long, people were so desperate they turned to charities for help. Another newspaper visited a Salvation army in Whitechapel.....

https://isleofdogslife.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/the-great-freeze-of-1895/

Don't know if this has been mentioned?

Re 272 Whitechapel Road

"Salvation Army at the People's Mission Hall. In 1880 William Booth moved his headquarters to 272 Whitechapel Road which was known as the People's Mission Hall."

"Night Shelters
The Army's first night shelter had been opened in 1888 in premises at 21 West India Dock Road in Limehouse. It was soon followed by others at 61A St John's Square, Clerkenwell; 272 Whitechapel Road, Whitechapel; and at 83 Horseferry Road, Westminster. The shelters provided a warm place to sit for the night with some little refreshment for a penny. Soup and bread were also on offer at a similar cost. During 1891, these four establishments provided a total of 208,019 beds and meals."


"The Central Labour Bureau was located in the Army's City Colony and Social Headquarters at 272 (later renumbered 20-22) Whitechapel Road. It acted as a clearing house for men seeking work, many of whom were sent to the Army's Elevators and shelters, and the Land Colony at Hadleigh."

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/SA/

Not coming up anything for the inquest, I suspect because Dr Danford Thomas presided over so many inquests that only some appeared in the papers,


Name: Fanny Winterhalder
Birth Date: abt 1827
Admission Age: 68
Admission Date: 30 Jan 1895
Discharge Date: 7 Feb 1895 ( Died)
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1894-1895

VIEW London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
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Name: Fanny Winterhalder
Record Type: Death
Death Date: 7 Feb 1895
Death Place: Stepney White Chapel, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney White Chapel
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register
Cause of death Bronchitis

Not seeing a burial record for her unfortunately.

I am also trying to find the burial records/place of burial/headstone for both ZACCHEUS WINTERHALDEN and his wife FRANCES/FANNY WINTERHALDEN, nee Southgate.

So far, without any luck.

Can you help, please?
:-)

On behalf of my friend whose GGF is the wonderfully named ZACCHEUS WINTERHALDEN as above, we are still searching and hoping for a report of the inquest into his Accidental Death.

There are other family circumstances which may be revealed if we could only find this report. Since he died in London [see my post above for details of his address and also place of death], we are so hoping that it may have been reported in a London newspaper. Although having said that, my own illustrious ancestor's death and lengthy obituary was published in Scotland even though he died in Central London and was buried at Highgate Cemetery. So perhaps we should cast our search wider afield?? But I don't know how to go about that.

PLEASE could you have another look for this inquest report for us. And please bear in mind that the spelling of both his first name and surname have 'altered' over the years ...................

Thank you very much.

Thank you everyone for your sleuthing. Will be back to this in a coupla days. :-)

272 Whitechapel Road was the address of one of the Night Shelters established by the Salvation Army.

Just for ref have sent image of this

William Winterhalter
in the London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement

April 25th 1893

Fanny Winterhalter 66
husband William Winterhalter 71

admitted 10th last December


Name: William Winterhalter
Age: 71
Birth Year: abt 1822
Record Type: Examinations
Event Date: 25 Apr 1893
Poor Law Union or Parish: Bethnal Green
Residence: Bethnal Green
Reference Number: BEBG/267/045

Cleveland Street Asylum registers of admission and discharge, 1875-1915 appear to be in the London Metropolitan Archives.

https://tinyurl.com/ya3p9yfx

I wonder if they would contain anything about reason for admission?

The only thing I'm finding for that date is reports of a well dressed man being found cut in half in a railway tunnel. No name is given.

I don't know London at all but Cleveland Street seems to be near Portland Station. I assume Portland Station would be near to where the underground is now? I am probably way off here.

You say he died in the Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Pancras district, London so it can't possibly your man.



Other London Underground stations located near Cleveland Street include Great Portland Street (50m west) and Warren Street (350m east).


EDIT the tunnel was going towards Baker Street and the body was taken to Marylebone Mortuary, Paddington to await an inquest and identification.

Another report states he was about 32.

Thank you so far ............
Standing by!
:-)

Sorry, been looking for it but not seeing anything. :-( :-S

His DC has arrived and there was an inquest into the circumstances surrounding his death.
His address at the time of death was 272 Whitechapel Road, East [London]. He died on 18th April 1895 in the Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Pancras district, London.

The inquest was held on 20th April, the coroner was George Danford Thomas.

Can someone see the newspaper report on the inquest, please?
:-)

Re the Family Tree by Betty on the LDS website: is it possible to contact the tree maker via the website??

I can't find any method of doing this.

Thank you.