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well that will be your best place to start as it should give full names to work from :-)

Just on the phone to him now. X

CERIDWEN ELIZABETH/ELSBETH JONES is the name I should be looking for.

So now I believe the LLANWRST marriage between ROBERTS and JONES in 1934 is correct

????

Roberts Household (2 People) 2 Jones Terrace , Llanrwst U.D., Denbighshire, Wales
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ceridwen Roberts 06 Jun 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 108 2
William Roberts 25 Jan 1903 Male General Labourer Married 108 1

So is this your grandfather?

Births Jun 1942 (>99%)
Roberts Ronald D Jones Bangor 11b 1041

Catherine - my grandfather was born on march 13th 1942 in Southampton I believe

Safc - that seems like the right names/dates x

Marriages Jun 1935 (>99%)

JONES Ceridwen E Roberts Conway 11b 1019
Roberts William L Jones Conway 11b 1019

The district Conway spans the boundaries of the counties of Caernarvonshire and Denbighshire

May also be worth considering. The middle name of William is noted as L but it may be an error.

Are you sure he was born in Southampton, I can't see a birth in Southampton in 1942 for a Ronald Roberts?

My Grandad was born in Southampton. His mum is from Bala and his dad is from Borth y Gest near porthmadog apparently according to my grandmother

Borth y Gest comes under Pwllheli

Births Mar 1903 (>99%)

Roberts William Griffith Pwllheli 11b 394

Probably this one

William Griffith Roberts
in the 1911 Wales Census


Name: William Griffith Roberts
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Mab (Son)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Plwyf Llangian, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llangian
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County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Lanygraicwen Mynytho Nr Pwllheli
Occupation: Yr Ysgol
Registration district: Pwllheli
Registration District Number: 629
Sub-registration district: Pwllheli
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 34381
Household Members:
Name Age
William Roberts 42
Mary Roberts 31
Roland I Roberts 12
William Griffith Roberts 8

EDIT OR given that this one specifies Borth y gest, just possibly?

William Griffith Roberts
in the 1911 Wales Census

Name: William Griffith Roberts
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
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County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 4 Mersey St Borth Y Gest
Registration district: Ffestiniog
Registration District Number: 628
Sub-registration district: Trenadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 34352
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 43
Elizabeth Jane Roberts 36
David Morris Roberts 12
Thomas Roberts 10
Evan Owen Roberts 9
William Griffith Roberts 6
Nellie Morris Roberts 4
Elsie Roberts 2

There is no middle initial on the marriage of Ronald to Hazel in Southampton,

Think we are all having guesses at this point. The following questions might help identify the correct couple:

Did Ronald grow up in Southampton?

What were Ceridwen and William doing in Southampton?

On your Grandfather's birth certificate- what address is given and what was his father's occupation.

Is Ronald not in touch with his siblings?

Where/ when did Ceridwen die?
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I actually wondered if this was the couple, (William's occupation on Ronald's birth certificate might help to confirm or rule them out)- Elizabeth's initial is transcribed as a B but it has been written over so hard to tell- it's possibly a C:

Roberts Household 37 Swift Gardens , Southampton C.B., Hampshire, England

William G Roberts 11 May 1905 Male Marine Engine Fitter Married
Elizabeth B Roberts 27 Jan 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
John E Jones 27 Jan 1908 Male Iron Foundry Furnace M Single
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The Elizabeth is this lady - from the correct area:

Birth:
Name: Elizabeth Ceridwen Jones
Mother's maiden name: Thomas
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Dolgelly
Inferred County: Merionethshire
Volume: 11b Page: 350
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With her family in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12 Railway Place Portmadoc, Ynyscynhaiarn, Merionethshire, Wales

Lewis Jones Penteulu Priod Male Signal Fitter 34 1877 Meirioneth Llwyngwril
Martha Ann Jones Gwraig Priod Female - 35 1876 Merthyr Tydvil
Elizabeth Ceridwen Jones Merch - Female - 5 1906 Llawyngwril Meirioneth
John Ellis Jones Mab - Male - 3 1908 Portmadoc Carnarvonshire
Lizzie Jones Davies Neath - Female - 13 1898 Bryncrug Meirionethshire
George Sydney Finch Byrddiwr Sengl Male Pointsman 19 1892 Derby Derbyshire
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Possible marriage?
Name: Elizabeth C Jones
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1936
Registration district: Pwllheli
Inferred County: Caernarvonshire
Spouse: William G Roberts
Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 883
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Her death in Southampton:

Name: Elizabeth Ceridwen Roberts
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1906
Date of Registration: Mar 1981
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20 Page: 1397
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EDIT: Not sure now- Just found the Probate for her- looks like she remained at the same address from 1939 until her death:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
Roberts- Elizabeth Ceridwen otherwise Elizabeth Ceridwel of 37 Swift Gardens, Woolston, Southampton died 12 February 1981 Probate Winchester £19561
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Birth
ROBERTS, WILLIAM GRIFFITH (Mother's maiden name: MORRIS )
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in FESTINIOG Volume 11B Page 408
(1911 posted above by Nyx- father Thomas))

So this is possibly William's death- but not in Wales, so doesn't fit with the information you've given:

Name: William G Roberts
Birth Date: abt 1905
Date of Registration: Sep 1959
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b Page: 524

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1942

ROBERTS Ronald Dunn Bangor Gwynedd (Caernarfon) BANB1/77/65

(from below link)

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

(then there was below)

Deaths Jun 1942 (>99%)
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Roberts Ronald D 0 Bangor 11b 897

(if the 1942 Birth reference posted earlier)

Chris :)

I'm wondering if Ronald was born in 1938? (no initial, born Southampton, mmn Jones)

Not sure where he'd have been in 1939 though- and as he's still living we wont find him. - However, you'd think Ronald would know his own birth year!

There is also a David J born 1943 Southampton (mmn Jones)