finding a record of birth

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Member Since: October 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	JanD	Report	11 May 2017 15:02
Member Since: October 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	I cannot find any birth record of my great-grandmother Alice Syron. Have a copy of the marriage certificate between her and my great-grandfather which gives d.o.b. as 1869. I believe she was born in Birmingham. Her father was John Syron (gunfitter). I thought that all births had to be recorded in 1869? Can anyone give me tips on where I may be able to find this record please?
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Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,418 Send Message	Maddie	Report	11 May 2017 15:11
	family for ref ????????????? 1881 6, Poplar Grove, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Patrick Syron Head Married Male 40 1841 Gun Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Caroline Syron Wife Married Female 36 1845 Char Woman Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Pension Step Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Domestic Servt Unemployed Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Flora Syron Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Transcription Alice Syron Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England father a gun maker but not John marriage Name: Alice Syron Gender: Female Age: 24 Birth Date: abt 1869 Marriage Date: 23 Jul 1893 Marriage Place: Hockley, All Saints, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Hockley, All Saints Search Photos: Search for 'Hockley, All Saints' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: John Syron Spouse: George Reynolds
Member Since: January 2008 Posts: 2,698 Send Message	Andysmum	Report	11 May 2017 15:16
	In England/Wales it was not compulsory to register births until 1875. For various reasons a lot of people didn't bother (including my great grandfather, who had four unregistered children before he had to conform, in 1875!) If she was still alive in 1939, you can get her dob from the 1939 register, on FMP. If you aren't a member, there are several people on here who will look for you.
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,418 Send Message	Maddie	Report	11 May 2017 15:19
	1851 has a brother John Court 5 House, Drury Lane, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Michael Syron Head Married Male 39 1812 Builder Labourer Ireland Transcription Bridget Syron Wife Married Female 38 1813 - Ireland Transcription John Syron Son - Male 14 1837 Lamp Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Michael Syron Son - Male 12 1839 Gun Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Patrick Syron Son - Male 10 1841 At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription George Syron Son - Male 1 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Edward Farron Lodger Married Male 33 1818 Masons Labourer Ireland Transcription Mary Farnon Lodger Married Female 36 1815 Umbrella Maker - Transcription Emma Farnon Lodger - Female 8 1843 At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Edward Farnon Lodger - Male 0 1851 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Bates Debernan Lodger Married Male 29 1822 Masons Labourer Ireland Transcription Thomas Faines Lodger Married Male 28 1823 Masons Labourer Ireland Transcription James Welch Lodger Unmarried Male 45 1806 Masons Labourer Ireland Transcription Selina Syron Lodger Unmarried Female 26 1825 Bretton Maker Ireland
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,418 Send Message	Maddie	Report	11 May 2017 15:30
	1911 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 9 Back 1 1/2 K Berley Street Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Alice Reynold Wife Widow Female - 42 1869 Steward Street Dudward St Birmingham Transcription Fredrick Lynon Son Single Male Errand Man 19 1892 Camden St Birmingham Transcription George Reynolds Son Single Male Bind Cage Dipper 17 1894 Pope St Bham Transcription Alice Reynolds Daughter Single Female Japanner Cycle 15 1896 Brasshaire Porrage Bham Transcription Jack Reynolds Son Single Male Work Broadst 13 1898 Brass H Porrage Bham Transcription Harold Reynolds Son Single Male School 8 1903 Brass H Porrage Bham Transcription Amy Reynolds Daughter Single Female School 7 1904 Brass H Porrage Bham Transcription Alfred Reynolds Son Single Male School 2 1909 Broad St Bham Transcription Arthur Blencoe Lodger Single Male Bindcage Maker 18 1893 Johnson St Neashells gives more detailed place of birth
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 12,081 Send Message	Andrew	Report	11 May 2017 15:58
	Parents not married until 1872? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) SPENCER Caroline Birmingham 6d 64 SYRON Patrick Birmingham 6d 64 Andy
Member Since: October 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	JanD	Report	11 May 2017 16:30
Member Since: October 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	Thank you all for your help. I did find Patrick Syron but not sure if he is Alice's father as it states on her marriage certificate (July 1893) that her father is John Syron, and he is one of the Syron family mentioned. It could possibly have been a copying error on the certificate as groom's father is also named John. I did find the marriage details of Patrick and Caroline. It does seem strange that two brothers both had a daughter called Alice. I cannot trace her through the 1939 register as I believe she re-married sometime after my great-grandfather's death in 1910. I think I will have to accept that I will not be able to clarify this further!
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	11 May 2017 17:37
	Patrick in 1881 census married caroline spencer in 1872 so could not be alices's father found this birth for a alice spencer could it be alice syron mother changed her name Births Jun 1868 (>99%) SPENCER Alice Birmingham 6d 12 Births Sep 1868 (>99%) SPENCER Alice Birmingham 6d 46
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	11 May 2017 18:11
	death for a john syron born 1837 Deaths Mar 1879 (>99%) Syron John 42 Birmingham 6d 32
Member Since: February 2007 Posts: 4,614 Send Message	Mary	Report	11 May 2017 18:16
	Birth 6d 12 mum maiden name Newton 6d 46 mum nee Bishop. Maryb
	Researching: Farrar, Jessop, Ward, Booth, Wragg, Walsh.

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