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Burial Register summary

Howe Rebecca Maria
Burial date 20 November 1879
Authority Nottingham City Council
Location Basford Cemetery, Nottingham (Nottinghamshire)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/


(below has 1841 & 1851 Hathern)

http://hathernhistory.co.uk/images/hathern/census/1841_census_PDF.pdf

http://hathernhistory.co.uk/images/hathern/census/1851_census_PDF.pdf

A VERY long shot here for the 1841:

Name: Thos Gratton
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Loughborough
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: Union Workhouse !!
Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 595
Book: 11
Page Number: 1

Maybe the parents had died?

Also in the Workhouse with him is Sarah Gratton aged 10. BUT, it says both not born in County ??

Dea x

I have searched for the Gretton's on the 1841 census on Ancestry and FMP.....but i don't seem to be having any luck.

The fact that my eyes have crossed over doesn't help!

:-S

It was great teamwork PH!

Ellen, please let us know the details of the marriage certificate when it arrives. Fingers crossed it matches the details we've all found. If there's anything you're not sure of- just ask.

Woop, woop Austin.

I love it when it all comes together.

Great team work!!

Prickles. x

:-D

I think we've now identified the correct family- especially as Clara named her first daughter Maria.

Thanks everyone all of this information sounds interesting & more likely to be Thomas Gretton & Maria Lovett as Clara's parents. I have sent for her marriage certificate which will give me her fathers name & occupation, unfortunately it takes 2 weeks to arrive in Australia.
Will reveal all after then
Ellen

So- just to make it clearer

John Howe married Rebecca Lovett in 1834. Rebecca was also known as Maria. However, it appears that Rebecca/ Maria already had a daughter Maria Lovett, born c1831.(possibly after a relationship with John Sketchly)

Maria (c1831) married Thomas Gretton in 1852. They had daughter (also in 1852), Clara Lovett Gretton.

Sadly, Maria died in 1856 and Thomas died in 1857.

It appears that Clara then stayed with her Grandmother, Rebecca/ Maria Howe (nee Lovett). She was listed as her Daughter, but looking at the birth indexes I think it more likely to be her grandaughter.

Darn these awkward people!

John married after Maria's birth (so Maria, Clara's Mum, would be a Lovett).

John is listed with Maria on the census- but she is actually Rebecca!!

First name(s) John
Last name Howe
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 24 Nov 1834
Marriage place Nottingham
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Rebecca
Spouse's last name Lovett
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
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In 1871- she reverts to Rebecca:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mount Street, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

John Howe Head - Male 59 1812 - Leicestershire, England
Rebecca Howe Wife - Female 59 1812 - Leicestershire, England
Arthur Howe Son - Male 19 1852 - Leicestershire, England
Agnes Howe Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Leicestershire, England
Jesse Howe Son - Male 16 1855 - Leicestershire, England
Henry A Sands Visitor - Male 5 1866 - Nottinghamshire, England

Was Clara living with her Grandmother in 1861?- Perhaps daughter, Maria was born outside marriage?:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Howe Male 25 1816 Leicestershire, England
Maria Howe Female 25 1816 Leicestershire, England
Maria Howe Female 9 1832 - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Henry Howe Male 6 1835 -
Emma Howe Female 4 1837 Leicestershire, England
George Howe Male 2 1839 Leicestershire, England
Jane Howe Female 0 1841 Leicestershire, England

Same people in 1851- so not her mother (but could be family?)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
From Halbern Inn, Derby Road, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Howe Head Married Male 39 1812 Frame W K (Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire,
Maria Howe Wife Married Female 38 1813 Winder Of Cotton Thurcaston, Leicestershire
Maria Howe Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 Seamer Of Cotton Hosiery St Mary's, Nottinghamshire
Henry Howe Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Seamer Of Cotton Hosiery St Mary's, Nottinghamshire
Emma Howe Daughter - Female 14 1837 Semptress Of Cotton Hosiery Hathern, Leiceste
George Howe Son - Male 12 1839 F W K (Cotton & Worsted) Hathern, Leicestershire
Jane Howe Daughter - Female 10 1841 Winder Of Worsted Hathern, Leicestershire,
Eliza Howe Daughter - Female 8 1843 Seamer Of Cotton Stockings Hathern, Leicestershire,
Israel Howe Son - Male 6 1845 Seamer Of Cotton Stockings Hathern, Leicestershire,
Alice Howe Daughter - Female 4 1847 Home Hathern, Leicestershire,
Lucy Howe Daughter - Female 2 1849 Home Hathern, Leicestershire,
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HOW, ISRAEL mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 150
HOW, ALICE mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 151
HOW, - mmn: LOVETT (Possibly Lucy)
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 15 Page 137

Can anybody see a birth for the Clara Howe that's on the 1861? I'm thinking she's our Clara Lovett Gretton

I might need some help to check this out- bear with me.

Perhaps Maria didn't die??? (Edit- believe this is Clara with her Grandmother, but listed as her daughter)

1861 census:
Name: Clara Howe
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Howe
Mother's name: Maria Howe
Gender: Female
Where born: Hathan, Leicestershire, England
Ecclesiastical parish: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Basford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Piece: 2439 Folio: 102 Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Howe 48
Maria Howe 47
Jane Howe 20
Eliza Howe 18
Isael Howe 16
Alice Howe 14
Lucy Howe 13
Authur Howe 9
Clara Howe 8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Agnas Howe 7
Jessey Howe 6
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Jessey's birth:

HOWE, JESSE mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 114

Agnes birth:

HOWE, AGNES mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 104

Another sister: (Clara not with her either)

First name(s) Mary
Last name Gretton
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 23 Jul 1826
Baptism place Hathern
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
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Marriage:

First name(s) Mary
Last name Gretton
Age 20
Birth year 1826
Residence Hathern
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Gretton
Marriage year 1846
Marriage date 02 Nov 1846
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Watts
Spouse's age Of Full Age
Spouse's residence Hathern
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Watts
Denomination Anglican
Place Hathern
County Leicestershire

Witnesses: Elizabeth Gretton & William Watts
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
From Dove Cottage, Derby Road, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Watts Head Married Male 25 1826 Frame W K (Silk & Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire
Mary Watts Wife Married Female 25 1826 Seamer Of Cotton Hose Hathern, Leicestershire,
Thomas Watts Son - Male 2 1849 Home Hathern, Leicestershire,
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24, Wide Street, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Watts Head Married Male 35 1826 S F K Cotton Hathern, Leicestershire,
Mary Watts Wife Married Female 34 1827 S F K Cotton Hathern, Leicestershire,
Thomas Watts Son - Male 12 1849 S F K Cotton Hathern, Leicestershire,
Alfred Watts Son - Male 8 1853 - Hathern, Leicestershire,
Arthur Watts Son - Male 6 1855 - Hathern, Leicestershire,
Elizabeth Watts Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Hathern, Leicestershire,
Clara Watts Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Hathern, Leicestershire,

It's possible Clara was with her mother's family or perhaps looked after by the Union.

Nice work PH.

Looks right, Elizabeth being Sarah's sister- this is the birth of Elizabeth's son:

HOLLINRAKE, ROBERT Mmn: GRETTON
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 09A Page 221

No sign of little orphan Clara at the moment though. :-(

I wonder if the 1861 census that Austin posted earlier is Thomas Gretton jnr's father.

Edit: Just spotted that Austin wondered the same thing.

Thomas Gretton Head Married Male 57 1804 Cotton Framework Knitter Hathern, Leicester

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
Gretton Thomas Loughborough 7a 301
Sleath Sarah Loughborough 7a 301

His father is named as Thomas on his baptism record........so quite possibly.

They both had the same occupation too.


Thomas Gretton in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thomas Gretton
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 20 May 1804
Baptism Place: Hathern,Leicester,England
Father: Thomas Gretton
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 590783


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Buckhorn Square, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

Mary Chapman Head Widow Female 54 1797 Seamstress Of Angola Hosiery Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Ann Chapman Daughter Unmarried Female 33 1818 Seamstress Of Angola Hosiery Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Mary Chapman Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1821 Works At Angola Factory Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
William Chapman Son - Male 13 1838 Winder Of Cotten Thread Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Thomas Gretton ***** Lodger Widower Male 47 1804 Frame Work Knitte (Angola) Hathern, Leicestershire, England


Leicestershire burials Transcription

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Gretton
Age 60
Birth year 1804
Death year 1864
Burial year 1864
Burial date 23 Feb 1864
Burial place Hathern
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Country England
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
Archive reference DE731/12
Record set Leicestershire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Ah.........witness Elizabeth Hollinrake!

Father Thomas was a Frame Work (Cotton) Knitter on the 1871 census.

Marriage: 14 Feb 1867 St Clement, Spotland, Lancashire, England
Samuel Seel - 39, Joiner, Widower, Whitworth Road
Sarah Gretton - 30, Spinster, Shawclough
Groom's Father: Robert Seel, Auctioneer
Bride's Father: Thomas Gretton, Lace Knitter
Witness: Elizabeth Hollinrake; Isaiah Clegg
Married by Licence by: W. N. Molesworth
Register: Marriages 1861 - 1873, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: LDS Family Search

This marriage relates to the above, if of any use? :

Marriage: 14 Feb 1867 St Clement, Spotland, Lancashire, England
Samuel Seel - 39, Joiner, Widower, Whitworth Road
Sarah Gretton - 30, Spinster, Shawclough
Groom's Father: Robert Seel, Auctioneer
Bride's Father: Thomas Gretton, Lace Knitter
Witness: Elizabeth Hollinrake; Isaiah Clegg
Married by Licence by: W. N. Molesworth
Register: Marriages 1861 - 1873, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: LDS Family Search

Dea x