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Re William -

maybe he was Jane's uncle instead of David's, as we've been assuming.


Jane's father's birth:

WHITELAW
ANDREW
JOHN WHITELAW / AGNES ROBERTSON FR1646 (FR1646)
0
10/03/1799
709/
50 213
Haddington


He did have a brother William:

WHITELAW
WILLIAM
JOHN WHITELAW / AGNES ROBERTSON FR1675 (FR1675)
0
20/01/1805
709/
50 266
Haddington

Do you think its at all possible she could have been on both the England and Scotland census results.. they were both taken on 7th April? Just with dates tallying..

Thanks all... looks likely.

Hmm.... The only think is, I'm not seeing a christening for a brother William for Jane Gordon Whitelaw although there is one on the censu.



Surname Forename Parents/ Other Details Age Date Parish Number Ref Parish Image View
WHITELAW JOHN
ANDREW WHITELAW/MARY GORDON FR2207 (FR2207)
0
27/08/1820
709/70 12
Haddington

WHITELAW MARK
ANDREW WHITELAW/MARY GORDON FR2244 (FR2244)
0
03/12/1825
709/ 70 85
Haddington

WHITELAW JANE GORDON
ASOTRENE WHITELAW/MARY GORDON FR2265 (FR2265)
0
23/06/1829
709/ 70 128
Haddington

WHITELAW MARY NEILLINS
ANDREW WHITELAW/MARY GORDON FR2221 (FR2221)
0
25/08/1822
709/70 41
Haddington

WHITELAW JAMES
ANDREW WHITELAW/MARY GORDON FR2276 (FR2276)
0
07/01/1831
709/70 148
Haddington

WHITELAW AGNES
ANDREW WHITELAW/MARY GORDON FR2255 (FR2255)
0
12/08/1827
709/70 108 Haddington

Yes, I think she was born 1829 (birth record posted earlier), and then doctored her age because of younger husband.

As far as Scotlands People's concerned, there are no other Jane Whitelaws born in Haddington around that time.
Of course, registration wasn't compulsory at that time, and parish records can be patchy.

As far as the 1861 census is concerned, there are several possibilities, but if she was in England as lady's maid to Lady Kinnaird, it makes sense she met Thomas and married in England.

Thanks alvie gal too!

you are right about the assumption of David as the father having no basis in fact btw! I didn't even consider that..

rootsgatherer... says nothing of parents deceased.

Mary's birth.


England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

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First name(s) MARY WHITELAW
Last name REAVELL
Birth year 1870
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Royston
County Hertfordshire

If this is the correct Jane, she has taken at least a decade off her birth at times, much younger husband. Her death with a EBY of 1833 is nearer the mark.


Marriage for Jane Gordon Whitelaw's parents.


WHITELAW

ANDREW

MARY GORDON


02/04/1820

709/

80 5

Haddington

Hi Argyll Gran, thanks much! So do we think the Jane WHitelaw maybe she wasn't ladys maid born around 1828?? AM getting totally baffled, is so difficult to know!

Yes! Was just getting there ArgyllGran!

I think that is our Lady's Maid


First name(s) Thomas Francis
Last name Reavell
Age Full
Residence -
Marriage year 1868
Parish St Martin-In-The-Fields
Spouse's first name(s) Jane Gordon
Spouse's last name Whitelaw
Spouse age Full
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Reavell
Spouse's father's first name(s) Andrew
Spouse's father's last name Whitelaw
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Westminster Archives

Just in case - a possible alternative 1861 to the two already suggested, as YOB's on old censuses aren't necessarily correct.:

Jane Whitelaw
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Whitelaw
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Haddington, Haddingtonshire
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Mary
County: Midlothian
Address: 34 Drummond Pl
Occupation: Ladysmaid
ED: 80
Household schedule number: 17
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1861_125
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Haldane 71
Henrietta Haldane 63
Margaret Haldane 58
Adamina D Haldane 34
Helen Haldane 33
Isabella M Sanderson 38
Elizabeth N Sanderson 12
Margaret T Sanderson 10
Richard B Sanderson 9
James A Sanderson 7
Jane Whitelaw 28
Margaret Carr 39
Jane Drysdale 25
Ellen Cockburn 24
Euphemia Hutchinson 23
Mary A Middleton 52


However, in view of her place of marriage, the 1861 with the Kinnairds seems most likely.

Jane Gordon Reavell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Jane Gordon Reavell
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Guildford
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 45

Jane G Reavell
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Jane G Reavell
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Thomas F Reavell
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Woking
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 597
Folio: 94
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas F Reavell 56
Jane G Reavell 60
Francis W Reavell 25

Jane Gordon Reavell

in the 1891 England Census
Name: Jane Gordon Reavell
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Reavell
Gender: Female
Where born: Haddington, Scotland
Civil Parish: Tring
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Tring
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Berkhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1127
Folio: 99
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Reavell 47
Jane Gordon Reavell 50
James Reavell 22
Francis Reavell 16

Jane G Reavell

in the 1871 England Census
Name: Jane G ReavellAge: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas F Reavell
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Guilden Morden
Town: Guilden Morden
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Royston
Sub-registration district: Royston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 1359
Folio: 13
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas F Reavell 27
Jane G Reavell 33
James A Reavell 2
Mary W Reavell 9 Months

Jane's birth ???:

WHITELAW JANE GORDON
ASOTRENE [ANDREW ??] WHITELAW / MARY GORDON FR2265 (FR2265)
0
23/06/1829
709/
70 128
Haddington



If so, this looks like her marriage:

Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%)
Hyland Emma Louisa St Martin's 1a 576
Reavell Thomas Francis St Martin's 1a 576
RENDER George Thomas St Martin's 1a 576
Whitelaw Jane Gordon St Martin 1a 576 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

OK I may be getting totally mixed up here. George Bassett and Mary Ann Proctor were witnesses.


Westminster Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Jane Gordon
Last name Whitelaw of Bear Street
Age Full
Residence -
Marriage year 1868
Parish St Martin-In-The-Fields
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas Francis
Spouse's last name Reavell of Holmwood, a carpenter
Spouse age Full
Father's first name(s) Andrew
Father's last name Whitelaw, forester
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Reavell, builder
County Middlesex
Country England




Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
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First name(s) Jane Gordon
Last name Whitelaw
Gender Female
Birth year 1829
Birth place -
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 23 Jun 1829
Baptism place HADDINGTON, EAST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) Asotrene
Father's last name Whitelaw
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Gordon
Place Haddington

Right. Well my thoughts are

(1). Not unusual for an illegitimate boy to assume he was named after his father. So his father may have been a Mr. Wotton a shoemaker but not necessarily called David.

(2). If he was still in contact with his mother and she had married since his birth, it would be reasonable for her to be listed as Jane Wotton ms Whitelaw now (new surname).

Did he say if either of his parents were deceased please?

Father down as David Wotton shoemaker, and mother as Jane Wotton, m.surname WHitelaw, but cant find a record of them being married at all.