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Frank Hoblyn
Death Date: 22 Nov 1892
Death Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 10 Dec 1892
Registry: Liverpool, England

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they are together
but not married


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St James Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry James Huxley Head Married Male 37 1854 Licensed Victualler Liverpool
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Margaret Jane Huxley Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Liverpool
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Isabella Gibb Niece Single Female 27 1864 - Liverpool
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Frank Hoblyn Servant Single Male 26 1865 Barman Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth O Hill Servant Single Female 20 1871 Domestic Servant Warrington

elizabeth looks like o'neil

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
Hoblyn Frank Liverpool 8b 326
O'Neil Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 326
Porter Margaret Liverpool 8b 326
Woollcombe Barrington R Liverpool 8b 326

will not be on census together

Frank or .Francis was born 1864c married in 1891 and died 1892 leaving Lizzie or
Elizabeth a widow.. she was quick off the mark if she re married in 1893.
Will have to study all the information given but grateful. Thank you all
Pat

On the Catholic baptism there is a crossed through date and a note to the side, which is in Latin so unfortunately I can't translate.

If Lena's (Helena) father was called Frank when she was born 1892 and her mother was Lizzie her father must have died before the 1901 census and her mother remarried now calling herself Elizabeth. Father must have died between 1892 and 1901. I will look and see if I can find a death and a date for her mother remarrying.
Pat

Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
Hoblyn Frank 27 Fulham 1a 178

From the GRO

HOBLYN, ELENA O'NEILL Order
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 49

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
O'NEIL Elizabeth HOBLYN Frank Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/209/133

This is the marriage from the free to use freebmd site
https://www.freebmd.org.uk

Chorley is the Registration District and amongst other places it includes Leyland within it's boundaries.

Lancsbmd is more precise and gives the actual Parish.

The GRO record actually shows Wiggans. Somewhere along the line a mistake has been made in one or the other from the original.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Butcher Margaret E Chorley 8e 1156
Hoblin Lena Chorley 8e 1156
Pott Charles G Chorley 8e 1156
Wiggans George Chorley 8e 1156

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GOULDSMITH Henry J HOBLYN Elizabeth Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/15/8

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Hoblyn Elena Liverpool 8b 49

EDIT, well this is odd, unless the first Helena died? ( edit no she didn't, it is the same child)

Interestingly a second baptism so suggests one parent was Catholic ( mother?) one C of E

Helena Hoblin
in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: Helena Hoblin
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1893
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1894
Parish: All Souls', Lancashire, England
Father's name: Francisi Hoblin
Mother's name: Elizabethae O'neill

Helena Hoblyn
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Helena Hoblyn
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1892
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1893
Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas
Father's name: Frank Hoblyn
Mother's name: Lizzie Hoblyn
Reference Number: 283 NIC/2/7

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
85, Kingswood Avenue, Liverpool, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Goldsmith Head Married Male 30 1871 Labourer N K London, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Goldsmith Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Lena Hoblyin Step Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thomas O Neil Boarder Widower Male 62 1839 Labourer N K Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Richard Johnson Boarder Widower Male 50 1851 Labourer N K Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Difference in spelling

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
Hoblyn Frank Liverpool 8b 326 Scan available - click to view
O'Neil Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 326

Lena in 1901

Lena Hoblyin
in the 1901 England Census

Name: Lena Hoblyin
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Stepdaughter
Gender: Female
Mother: Elizabeth Goldsmith
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3451
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 153
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Goldsmith 30
Elizabeth Goldsmith 28
Lena Hoblyin 8
Thomas Oneil 62
Richard Johnson 50

ame: Lena Hoblin
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1892
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 May 1911
Parish: Leyland, Lancashire, England
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Spouse: George Wiggins
Spouse Age: 23
Father: Frank Hoblin
Spouse Father: John Wiggins
Register Type: Parish Register

Lena Hoblin married George Wiggins in Leyland Lancashire 1911 but I can't find where Lena and George were born or where they died. Have looked on family search which says George Wiggans and married 1911 Chorley Lancashire but Lancashire b.m.d say Wiggins and Leyland. So I'm confused.
Any help would be appreciated
Pat
Ps There is a George and Lena living in Georgia. U.S.A but I'm sure it isn't the people I'm looking for