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22 Apr 2017 19:15 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Rosehall, Haddington, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Andrew Whitelaw Male 40 1801 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland Transcription Mary Whitelaw Female 40 1801 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland Transcription Thomas Whitelaw Male 15 1826 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland Transcription Mark Whitelaw Male 15 1826 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland Transcription Jane Whitelaw Female 12 1829 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Transcription James Whitelaw Male 10 1831 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland Transcription William Whitelaw Male 7 1834 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Transcription Johana Whitelaw Female 5 1836 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland Transcription Andrew Whitelaw Male 3 1838 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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22 Apr 2017 19:21 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Woolbeding House, Woolavington, Midhurst, Sussex, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Ponsonby Head Married Male 87 1774 Landed Proprietor Ireland Transcription Dorothy M Ponsonby Wife Married Female 74 1787 - - Transcription Edward Lyly Howard Son In Law Married Male 51 1810 R H Admiral On Half Pay Chiswick, Middlesex, England Transcription Diana H L Howard Daughter Married Female 45 1816 - London, Middlesex, England Transcription Lord Kinnaird Visitor Married Male 53 1808 Peer P C K Y London, Middlesex, England Transcription Y A G Kinnaird Visitor Married Female 43 1818 - Rockhampton, Surrey, England Transcription Henry Barratt Servant Widower Male 47 1814 Butler Domestic Servant Berkshire, England Transcription Ann Dyer Servant Widow Female 60 1801 House Keeper Domestic Servant Langford, Wiltshire, England Transcription Sarah Harrison Servant To Daughter Unmarried Female 42 1819 Ladies Maid Domestic Servant Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Transcription William Talor Servant To Son Unmarried Male 31 1830 Valet Domestic Servant Wilton, Wiltshire, England Transcription Caroline Porter Servant Unmarried Female 32 1829 Ladys Maid Domestic Servant - Transcription Jane Whitelaw Servant To Visitor Unmarried Female 33 1828 Ladys Maid Domestic Servant Scotland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Transcription Emma Redman Servant Unmarried Female 32 1829 Housemaid Domestic Servant Ditchling, Surrey, England Transcription Fanny Reavell Servant Unmarried Female 25 1836 Laundry Maid Domestic Servant - Transcription Emma Goble Servant Unmarried Female 23 1838 Kitchen Maid Domestic Servant Easebourne, Sussex, England Transcription Emily Quinnell Servant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Laundry Maid Domestic Servant Woolbeding, Sussex, England Transcription Annie ... Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House Maid Domestic Servant Lewes, Sussex, England Transcription Martha Edwards Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 Dairy Maid Domestic Servant Woolbeding, Sussex, England Transcription George Edwards Servant Unmarried Male 20 1841 Footman Domestic Servant Stedham, Sussex, England Transcription George Meeritt Servant Unmarried Male 16 1845 Groom Domestic Servant Easebourne, Sussex, England Transcription William Foster Servant - Male 13 1848 General Servant Midhurst, Sussex, England Transcription James Reynolds Servant - Male 17 1844 Groom Domestic Servant Paddington, Middlesex, England Transcription George Willsher Servant Unmarried Male 25 1836 Under Butler Domestic Servant Bocking, Essex, England Transcription
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22 Apr 2017 19:24 |
And thanks for explaining the term boarder, I wondered what it meant!
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22 Apr 2017 19:25 |
ah, sound right! thanks!
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22 Apr 2017 19:31 |
other info i found was on his marriage cert to Isabella Cockburn in 1880 Kilmadock.. said dad was a David Wotton shoemaker! But no other info at all, guess he could have come from anywhere!
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22 Apr 2017 21:16 |
I would say William Whitelaw was David's uncle - Jane's brother - but could be wrong!
I don't think David would have been adopted - just fostered ("boarded out") until he was old enough to start work for that grocer in Glasgow - some time between 1871 and his marriage.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/boardingout/
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22 Apr 2017 21:21 |
thanks again
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22 Apr 2017 21:25 |
as it has father David Wotton , shoemaker on the marriage cert, do you know any way of finding this out. Have looked on 1861 and 1871 census with name variations but cant find anything there, any ideas?
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22 Apr 2017 21:32 |
Just found David Wooten in 1851 census... shoemaker!
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23 Apr 2017 08:55 |
Where is he living in 1851? I can't see him on Ancestry.
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23 Apr 2017 12:00 |
Hi there.. 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census First Name David Last Name Wooton Birth Year 1821 Age 30 Birth Place England Birth Town Willenhall Birth County Staffordshire Relationship To Head of Household Head Gender Male Occupation Shoe Maker Street Dudley Road Parish Sedgley City Wolverhampton County Staffordshire Division Of County Ecclesiastical District Upper Gornal Enumeration District 6 Hamlet Upper Gornal House Name House Number Parliamentary Borough Wolverhampton Municipal Ward Registration District Dudley Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain Folio 109 Page 10 Piece Number 2030 Source Archive Reference HO107 © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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23 Apr 2017 15:24 |
Oh yes. Spelled Wootton on Ancestry.
And he's in 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1891 censuses too.
He was obviously married when he somehow met Jane and fathered her baby, so was in no position to marry her.
I wonder if Martha ever knew about it? For that matter, I wonder if he knew about it himself?
Birth of their son Herbert C:
WOOTTON, HERBERT CHARLES mms CHARLES GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 365
so David & Martha's marriage:
Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%) Charles Martha Wolverhampton 17 380 WOOTTON David Wolverhampton 17 380
Probably his death:
Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%) Wootton David 74 Newport, Sh. 6a 475
EDIT:
Have deleted the birth I posted - definitely wrong date !!
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23 Apr 2017 15:56 |
brilliant. thanks v much! Will follow that up..
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23 Apr 2017 16:19 |
Can't see a birth record for him (the one I suggested previously was definitely wrong).
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23 Apr 2017 16:21 |
On that 1861 census, Jane's occupation is given as Lady's Maid to one of the visitors. She must have been pretty good at the job to be Lady's Maid to the wife of Lord Kinnaird as he would appear to be quite high ranking.
George William Fox Kinnaird, 9th Lord Kinnaird, was born in April 1807 and succeeded to the title when he was nineteen. He devoted much attention to the management of his estates and was skilled in agriculture. He was a Freemason, and was Grand-Master of Scotland 1830-31. He was Master of the Buckhounds 1839-41; a Privy Councillor 1840; a Knight of the Order of the Thistle 1857; and Lord-Lieutenant of Perthshire 1866-78. On 20 June 1831 he was created Baron Rossie of Rossie (Perth). He married Frances Anna Georiana Ponsonby (daughter of William Francis Spencer Ponsonby, first Baron de Mauley) in Canford. On 1 September 1860, his own male issue having failed, he was created Baron Kinnaird of Rossie, with a specific remainder, failing heirs-male of his own body, to his brother Arthur and the heirs-male of his body. He died at Rossie in 1878, when the Barony of Rossie of 1831 became extinct.
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23 Apr 2017 16:21 |
Hi another query here...researching the other side of the family! I have Robert Martin Wotton born to David William Wotton and Margaret Martin, married 1901. According to the marriage cert Margaret was the daughter of Robert Martin and Margaret Martin nee Green, ages given as 29 and 20 respectively. I'm confused about the lineage of Margaret... I can find a record in the 1861 census which suggests Margaret Green born 1855 in Galston ayrshire, but nothing else. On the marriage cert of Robert Martin and Margaret Green (married Auchinlech Ayr 1873) it says her parent were John Green and Isabella Green born Stitt. There is a census result in 1861 for a Margaret Green, child of Isabella Green... but says fathers name is William? Is it possible people used different names do you think?
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23 Apr 2017 16:30 |
oop just found Margaret Green in old parish register born 1854, the registration system changed in 1855 so thats why no record!
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23 Apr 2017 16:40 |
Thanks Argyll gran.. interesting!
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23 Apr 2017 16:47 |
Is this your Robert and Margaret in 1881 please?
If so Margaret wasn't born in Ayrshire.
Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Martin Head Married Male 36 1845 Quarry Labourer Dumfriesshire, Scotland Margaret Martin Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Dumfriesshire, Scotland Mary Martin Daughter - Female 11 1870 Scholar Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland Margaret Martin Daughter - Female 7 1874 Scholar Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland John Martin Son - Male 5 1876 Scholar Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland Janet Martin Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland James Martin Son - Male 1 1880 - Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland Walter Ferguson Boarder Unmarried Male 31 1850 Quarry Labourer Dumfriesshire, Scotland Philip Collins Boarder Unmarried Male 47 1834 Quarry Labourer Ireland
Census details First name(s) Margaret Last name Martin Relationship Wife Marital status Married Gender Female Age 27 Birth year 1854 Occupation - Birth town - Birth town as transcribed CLOSSBURN Birth county Dumfriesshire Birth county as transcribed DUMFRIESSHIRE <<<<<<< Birth place Scotland House name Glenmuir Quarry Houses Street - Town - Parish Auchinleck County Ayrshire Country Scotland Registration district Auchinleck Archive reference RG11 Piece number - Folio - Page - Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
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23 Apr 2017 16:54 |
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Croalchaple, Closeburn, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place James Stitt Male 40 1801 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Elspeth Stitt Female 40 1801 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Archbald Stitt Male 14 1827 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Isabella Stitt Female 12 1829 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Thomas Stitt Male 8 1833 Dumfriesshire, Scotland James Stitt Male 6 1835 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Jannet Stitt Female 4 1837 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Elspeth Stitt Female 2 1839 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
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