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Pamela
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23 Apr 2017 16:54 |
There is, potentially, some sort of connection as on the copy of Robert John's birth certificate 1863, mothers maiden name is given as Short ( the same as the aunts maiden name)and the sub district of Brighton is the same , St Peter Brighton. Will take further investigation methinks!
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22 Apr 2017 18:04 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hight Street, All Saints, ?, Essex, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place John Cornall Male 50 1791 Essex, England Transcription Sophia Cornall Female 50 1791 Essex, England Transcription Ann Cornall Female 18 1823 Essex, England Transcription Thomas Tansley Male 20 1821 Essex, England Transcription Thomas Williams Male 27 1814 - Transcription Robert Cornall Male 11 1830 -
john occ looks like miller
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22 Apr 2017 17:47 |
Looking into my papers I made a mistake and I do have the 1881 census details. There is possibly a link through the Cornwell in Brighton and I will look into it. It could be a badly written transcription. I have had the problem with other relatives names who immigrated ! Thanks
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ArgyllGran
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22 Apr 2017 16:09 |
This is the Brighton Robert:
CORNELL, ROBERT JOHN mms SHORT GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 199
Can't see any marriage of a Short to a Cornell or Cornwell.
EDIT: Just for interest - not relevant to the Cornells;
Ellen's aunt Harriet's marriage:
Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%) Barker Josiah Southampton 7 260 Short Harriett Southampton 7 260
and husband's death:
Deaths Dec 1860 (>99%) Barker Josiah Southampton 2c 17
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22 Apr 2017 15:58 |
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Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%) Cornell Robert 69 Islington 1b 223
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22 Apr 2017 15:44 |
Yes, presumably to Jane Rance:
Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%) Cornell Robert Jarvis Holborn 1b 787 RANCE Jane Holborn 1b 787
Robert Cornell in the 1891 England Census Name: Robert Cornell Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Cornell Gender: Male Where born: Ickleton, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: St Luke Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabus Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: Old Street ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 230 Folio: 90 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Robert Cornell 61 Jane Cornell 41
However, re the original query - I can't see any travel records for either of the Roberts. Likely too early, as Shirley said.
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22 Apr 2017 15:27 |
Remarriage ? of Robert Jarvis...........?
Marriages Mar 1884 Cornell Robert Jarvis............... Holborn 1b 787
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22 Apr 2017 15:19 |
In 1911 (if this is the right Robert) his birthplace is given as Brighton, so maybe the 1871 is correct:
Robert John Cornell in the 1911 England Census Name: Robert John Cornell Age in 1911: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Newington St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 49 South St, Walworth S E Occupation: COACHMAN Registration district: Southwark Registration District Number: 23 Sub-registration district: Newington North ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 1815 Household Members: Name Age Robert John Cornell 47 Phoebe Cornell 49 Robert Cornell 25 Ethel Cornell 22 Ethel Cornell 3
Daughter Ethel's birth:
CORNELL, ETHEL ELLEN EUGENIE mms CHITTY GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 945
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22 Apr 2017 15:13 |
Could this be Robert John in 1871 ?
Robert J Cornwell in the 1871 England Census Name: Robert J Cornwell Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Son Mother's name: Herriot Barker (no, his mother was Ellen) Gender: Male Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Brighton Town: Brighton County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Brighton Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 85 Piece: 1079 Folio: 49 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Herriot Barker 56 - head Ellen Cornwell 30 - niece Robert J Cornwell 7 - son
But maybe not - in 1891 his birthplace is given as Sri Lanka:
Robert John Cornell in the 1891 England Census Name: Robert John Cornell Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Phoebe Lydia Cornell Gender: Male Where born: Sri Lanka Civil Parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Camberwell Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 490 Folio: 23 Page Number: 40
Robert John's father was Robert John, according to his marriage record. {I was assuming you meant he was Robert Jarvis's son - but maybe you didn't mean that ?} AND the father is a painter, deceased - so is this the wrong Robert John? No, he must be the right one, if born in Sri Lanka.
Robert John Cornell in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Robert John Cornell Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Age: 21 Spouse: Phoebe Lydia Chitty Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 May 1885 Parish: All Saints, Walworth Borough: Southwark Father Name: Robert John Cornell Spouse Father: William Chitty Register Type: Parish Register Household Members: Name Age Robert John Cornell 28 Phoebe Lydia Cornell 29 Robert John Cornell 5 Ethel Hila Cornell 2
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22 Apr 2017 15:04 |
Ah, it must be Robert John whose mother was Ellen. Robert Jarvis's mother was Sophia:
Robert Jarvis Cornell in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Robert Jarvis Cornell Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Feb 1830 Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1837 Baptism Place: Saint Peters-Independent,Maldon,Essex,England Father: John Cornell Mother: Sophia FHL Film Number: 0593812 (RG4 1767)
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22 Apr 2017 15:00 |
Which Robert isn't on censuses 1851 to 1891, and had mother Ellen ?
Robert Jarvis in 1881, a coffee planter:
Robert Jarvis Cornell in the 1881 England Census Name: Robert Jarvis Cornell Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relationship to Head: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Ickleton, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: St Sepulchre County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 22 Charterhouse Sq Marital Status: Widower Occupation: Coffee Planter (Others) Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: Saffron Hill ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 344 Folio: 23 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Elijah Smith 66 Mary Ann Smith 58 Annie Smith 26 Elizabeth Smith 11 Elizabeth Gibbs 63 Emily Fuller 25 Robert Jarvis Cornell 51 Martha King 23 Henry Frederick Herne 22 Arthur Reynolds 29 George Augustus Williams 24 Francis Badham 17 Richard Hargreaves 27
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Pamela
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22 Apr 2017 14:49 |
Thanks for the responses - the names you would like are : Robert Jarvis Cornell born 1830 also Robert John Cornell born 1863 On the birth certificate R.J. was listed as a hotel keeper, mother Ellen and there is no census listings from 1851 until 1891.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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21 Apr 2017 15:58 |
Online travel records start from 1890 so you may not find any info
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Gwyn in Kent
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21 Apr 2017 15:23 |
Would you like to post his name and approx. birth date, so that people can help to find him in travel records ?
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Pamela
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21 Apr 2017 15:19 |
A paternal great great grandfather travelled to Sri Lanka(then Ceylon) in the early 1860's/late 1850's and returned some time between 1871 and 1891. The only census records list him in the UK in 1851 and 1891.Can anyone suggest how I can trace his location during this period?
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