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Hi all, i need a bit of help please, i've been doing well recently and managed to find quiet a few ancestors But there is one branch that im getting nowhere " SMITH" there are just too many of them.
so far i have " William Henry Smith 1918 from Surrey" his parents were " William Henry Smith 1891 from London" and " Janet M R Seager 1892 ", Williams father was " Thomas William Smith he is on their 1913 wedding certificate as deceased . and thats where i get stuck. on the certificate it looks like Thomas is down as a traveller so could be from anywhere.
is there any Smith experts out there ?

Marriages Sep 1913

Seager Janet M R ... Smith ..... ......Wandsworth 1d 1295
Smith William H .... Seager.. ... Wandsworth 1d 1295


Births Jun 1915

Smith Ivy M Seager Croydon 2a 651



Births Dec 1916

Smith William H Seager Croydon 2a 614

Gary

what is william henry smith occupation on marriage cert

and address ?

thanks

motor engineer, Tooting

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
52 Park Road Merton S W, Mitcham, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Agnes Smith Head Widow Female Private Means 52 1859 London Hackney
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Thomas William Smith Son Married Male Foreman Heating Engineer Steam Pipes 23 1888 London Stamford Hill
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Nellie Ethel Smith Daughter Married Female Draper Shop Assistant 25 1886 London Lewisham
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Violet Eva Smith Granddaughter Single Female - 3 1908 Merton
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William Henry Smith Son Single Male Motor Car Engineer Repairs Etc 18 1893 Stamford Hill xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

so dad Thomas was dead by then,

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Daleview Road, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Smith Head Married Male 32 1859 Furniture Salesman Finsbury
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Agnes Smith Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
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Thomas Smith Son Single Male 3 1888 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
321, East Street, London, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Agnes Smith Head Widow Female 41 1860 Coffee House Keeper Hackney, Middlesex, England
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Thomas Smith Son - Male 13 1888 - London, England
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William Smith Son - Male 8 1893 - London, England

malyon it would be gracious to remove those two posts as safc posted the same info in legible format just ahead of you, as you were posting, and your posts take up a half dozen monitor lengths, are eye-boggling to try to follow, and now just clutter the thread and make it difficult for all to read, thanks

Gary, 'traveller' really means he was an 'outside salesperson' as we would call them today, calling on customers rather than selling from a fixed location.

As in, "He was a traveller in ladies' underwear." :-)


but you're right, haha, he could have been anywhere, and he was!

1881

Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Finsbury
Civil Parish: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Talbot Hotel
Occupation: Com Traveller (Fancy Goods)
Registration district: Scarborough

Finding him in 1861 and 1871 is proving troublesome.

I wonder whether he only thought he was born in Finsbury?

Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Catherine Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: North Derbs, Kent, England **
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: St Luke
> Sub-registration district: Finsbury
Catherine Smith 27 - married, hair worker
Thomas Smith 2

** obviously that is not what the image says, but I don't know what it does say. Anyone?


I'm wondering about this birth, and whether Catherine was not actually married

SMITH, WILLIAM THOMAS - mother's surname blank
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in OF HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 482


Given where his widow and children were living in 1901, this could possibly be his death

SMITH, THOMAS 39
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in ST. SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 63

For 'North Derbs'................ I read Northfleet in 1861 census image

i found the marriage between Thomas Smith and Agnes Powling in 1881 .
so if i get a copy off that i'll have their fathers.

That's the best idea.

You'll have his father's name ... if he named a father ... and if he gave the correct name. :-)

Witnesses' names, and the spouses' addresses, can tell a story too.

Let us know!

Northfleet makes sense there, Gwyn - but there's no birth to fit in North Aylesford registry district either.