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Bless you thankyou. Xxxx

On page 1 of thread Nyx/greyghost/safc posted abt the UK outgoing records for the Coffield 1919 trips.

Here's the Canadian incoming records for those trips:

Ship: SCOTIAN
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Co.
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Date of Departure: 1919-07-22
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec Montreal, Quebec
Date of Arrival: 1919-08-03 1919-08
Year: 1919
Microfilm Reel Number: T-14700
Reference: RG 76
Item Number: 6981
[Ancestry just lists him as 28 y.o. Merl with no readable surname
I would read it as Neil - at any rate, he's a labouror intending to work in farming and headed to Virden, Man.
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e145/e003605678.jpg;pvdbd9edcf3a9e1b1c - on last line]


Ship: PRETORIAN
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Ocean Services Ltd.
Port of Departure:
Glasgow, Scotland
Date of Departure:
1919-11-28
Port of Arrival:
Saint John, N.B.
Date of Arrival:
1919-12-11
Year: 1919
Microfilm Reel Number: T-14838
Reference: RG 76
Item Number: 19540
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=CANIMM1913PLIST_2000908417-00342&op=img&app=passengerlist
[Eleanor and Rachael are both headed for M*ley in Manitoba - I can't guess where.
NB Ancestry mistakenly gives the post of arrival as St John's NL - see:
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=CANIMM1913PLIST_2000908417-00330&op=img&app=passengerlist
]


MargaretM has posted the 1921 census - I'll pm the image.
Of particular interest is:
Section Number: 2
Township Number: 7
Range Number: 20
Meridian Number: Wh [WP]

Most prairie rural addresses have this form - well typically they include the part of the section, usually a quadrant e.g., NE, as most farms started off with a free quarter section awarded under the Homestead Acts.

A 6 mile x 6 mile township block is identified by counting 6 m wide Township strips starting counting from the US border.
Which township block within that strip is identified by counting 6m wide Ranges from the previous meridian..
In Manitoba, there is just one meridian - the 1st or Prime Meridian, and one counts either East of the Prime Meridian (EPM) or West of the Prime Meridiab (WPM).
The Prime Meridian is at longitude 97°27'28".West - about 20 miles west of Winnipeg. This was the old W boundary of Manitoba when it was the size of a postage stamp, and this meridian was already partly surveyed,
The next meidian (the 2nd) is at longitude 102°.West, then they're every 4° heading west.
The Southern half of the SK-MB boundary is between ranges 29 & 30 WPM.
For the numbering of the 36 1m x 1m sections within each township block, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Land_Survey


A look up at:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/postal-heritage-philately/post-offices-postmasters/Pages/post-offices-postmasters.aspx
gets the location of P.O.s:
Office Name: Virden
Additional Information:
Belleview - 9 miles
Hargrave - 8 miles
Sec. 22, Twp. 10, R. 26, WPM - 1908-03-05

Brandon MB
Established 1881-08-01
Additional Information:
Princess and 11th
Sec. 23, Twp. 10, R. 19

Souris
Sec. 33, Twp. 7, R. 21 - 1882-03-01

and 1921 census was
Sec. 2, Twp. 7, R. 20, WPM

Brandon is MB's 2nd largest city (after Winnipeg) and is the main city of MB's western plains, so serves as a handy reference point.
We see Neil's initial destination was 7 ranges due W of Manitoba (42 miles with a minor adjustment of up to 5 miles for sections).
Souris is the nearest PO to the Coffield's 1921 home and is abt 5 m N and 8 m W of them.
If you go to https://www.google.ca/maps/ and look up Souris, then switch to the satellite view, the 1 mile sections are quite easy to make out at the appropriate zoom, and you can count out to their home - it looks like they;re on the Souris R.

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Finally here's sister Nellie's hubby's d.cert

Nellie's hubby James d 21/3/1990 a=102:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/808ffacc-9072-4c86-a68c-5dc53e2d7a4e
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/aea8b84d-5933-4d99-af7a-30c926cf8d57
[Duffus is nearly 10km NE of the city of Elgin - throughout most of the 20th cent, it was in Moray -I don't know when the county was renamed from Elgin -certainly by 1891 - but that was after his birth.
Trail is close to the US border in the east of BC.]

Thankyou we wondered if hw went to Australia again. We know he was back and forth.... I wondered if he was even there at the time my grandadbwas born as his mother was the only signature ( Mark ) oh well 2021 hurry up . xxx

??? Here he is again:

Thos Standen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Thos Standen
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Age: 23
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 28 Jul 1879
Vessel Name: Cambrian Princess
Origin Location: Sussex, England

??? Perhaps he's a different Thomas Standen.

Thomas Standen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922

Name: Thomas Standen
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Age: 26
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 20 Jun 1881
Vessel Name: Halloween
Origin Location: Hastings, England

He's an AB on board the ship.

In view of Chris's post above, and also Deborah's statement that Thomas was a stevedore, here's a long shot:

T Standen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Government Gazettes, 1853-1899

Name: T Standen
Event Date: Abt 1891
Event Place: Darling Harbour, New South Wales, Australia
Event Type: Other
Page Number: 4763

He's employed as a porter, at Darling Harbour, Sydney, earning 6s per day.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770344.0

(above looks to relate, Thomas Latter Standen, below from above link)


I am of the belief that Thomas Latter Owen Standen or variations of born Brighton England 1855 of Owen and Mary emigrated to Australia after 1903 ish, I found him on 1901 living as a single man and after that no more sightings in England


NSW Police Gazette 17 Nov 1880 Deserters from HM Service ( six men named )
Deserted from HMS "Wolverine", Hobsons Bay, on 28th ultimo and 3rd inst -

Thomas STANDEN, bandsman, native of Brighton, 25 years of age, 5 feet 4 inches, light brown hair, hazel eyes, fair complexion

One pound reward

Chris :)


http://theweald.org/P2.asp?PId=My.MouseM

(above from google search, 1841, 1851 Owen Standen)

Hi just to lwt you know Thomas Standen. Senior was a Stevedore labourer. Thomas Owen was born. Kerby Street. Poplar. Emma Agnes Standen nee Rickman mother although we cannot find marriage certificate. She was Hart. Cannot find out what happened to her first husband George and Thomas senior. I am puzzled as in 1911 she is down as married. Keep digging. X

Mary Jane surname is Relph / Relfe / Ralph

baptised to Thomas and Hannah Relph 21 feb 1830 Burwash Sx.


Catherine Standen is Etheline Relph in the Ticehurst workhouse Sussx with Mary as a 2 month baby 1851

Mavis

Owen and Mary J Standen 1861

9 Crown Gardens

Parish
Brighton

Registration District
Brighton

Image Reference
RG9/0598/F?


Owen Standen 27 1834 Head Mayfield, Sussex Brewers Labourer
Mary J Standen 32 1829 Wife Burwash, Sussex
Catherine Z Standen 10 1851 Daughter Burwash, Sussex
Thomas L Standen 5 1856 Son Brighton, Sussex Scholar
Alfred Standen 3 1858 Son Brighton, Sussex Scholar

Mavis

Baptism -Saint Nicholas - Brighton Sx.

Thomas Latter Standen bp 21 Dec. 1857 to

Owen and Mary Standen Labourer.


1851 census Owen Standen Census Transcript Household Sussex


Address
Mouse Hall Mill

Parish
Mayfield

Registration District
Uckfield

Image Reference
HO107/1640/F?



Thomas Later Standen 48 1803 Head Wadhurst, Sussex Miller
Mary Standen 42 1809 Wife Wadhurst, Sussex
John Standen 23 1828 Son Wadhurst, Sussex Journeyman Miller
James Standen 20 1831 Son Wadhurst, Sussex Miller
Lucy Standen 18 1833 Daur Wadhurst, Sussex
Owen Standen 17 1834 Son Wadhurst, Sussex Miller
Ellen Standen 14 1837 Daur Wadhurst, Sussex
Lewis Standen 12 1839 Son Mayfield, Sussex
Harris Standen 8 1843 Son Mayfield, Sussex
Frances Standen 6 1845 Daur Mayfield, Sussex
William Standen 4m 1851 Son Mayfield, Sussex
Henry Rabson Standen 8m 1851 Grand Son Mayfield, Sussex


dos'nt seem to be a marriage between Owen and Mary

Mavis

Yes birth certificate ordered by friend. She is posting it to me. She says he was born at Emmas daughters house. When i get it i will fill you in some more. On google just type Thomas Latter Owen Standen 1855 and you will see roots chat that my friend has been helping with. Lots of information. Xxxxx

That's great news Deborah,

Did you order the birth certificate? Is Thomas listed as labourer?

The name of the street where they were living in 1903 is not clear on the baptism- looks at little like Korben or Kurby Street- is it any clearer on the birth certificate?

I can't see anything immediately obvious for him- although if he dropped the Latter Owen from his name- which looks likely, he isn't going to be the easiest person to find.

Have you trace his family/ siblings to check he's not in the same area as them?

I don't have access to ancestry world- perhaps someone could check to see if he left the uk after 1903.

Just in case it helps- A possible pension record on FMP gives his DOB as 31 July 1855

British Royal Navy & Royal Marines service and pension records
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Standen
Birth 31 July 1855
Birth parish Brighton
Birth county Sussex
Year 1869
Attestation year 1869
Discharge year 1872
Series ADM 29
Series/Piece ADM 29/085
Archive The National Archives
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Birth:
STANDEN, THOMAS LATTER OWEN mmn: RELPH
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in BRIGHTHELMSTON Volume 02B Page 169

brothers:
STANDEN, ALFRED mmn: RALPH
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 198

STANDEN, OWEN mmn: RELPH
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 201

another sibling:
STANDEN, - (male) mmn: RELFE
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 223
(this child died the same year)

I'll hopefully have time to look at this tomorrow

:-D well you did it you wonderful people. Yes my grand father was born under Thomas Owen Standen. Thank you again for helping to solve a big mystery. Now to chase his father Thomas latter Owen Standen born brighton 1855. We know he was in poplar in 1903 but has disappeared by 1911. Again thankyou

Still trying to trace Thomas Latter Owen Standen after 1903 but getting nowhere. Aaggghhh he seems to have vanished unless he has emigrated. Xxxx

To all that have helped with Thomas certificate of birth Thomas Owen Standen ordered and will let you know once received. Again a massive thankyou :-D

Lots to take in i am 100% sure we have the right family. Grandad Thomas being the only one who is difficult. Agree with Austin think he was born Thomas Owen Standen but his name was changed to Thomas William Hart but by who and when and why temains the big mystery. Everyone who has helped thankyou so much. The jungle drums within the family are beating away. Given everyone something to think about. Anymore information would and is being received with much appreciation. I am not that clued up on how to use alot of the sites for information so any hints would help. Xxx

Looks right:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Smith Place, Lambeth, London, England

George Hunt Head Married Male 28 1853 Labourer In Bone Works (Bone Meal) Lambeth,
Emma Hunt Wife Married Female 22 1859 Firewood Tier Lambeth, Surrey, England
Emma Hunt Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
George Hunt Son Single Male 0 1881 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Joseph Street, St George in the East, London, England

George John Hant Head Married Male 39 1852 Labourer In Bone Works Lambeth,
Emma Agnes Hant Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Lambeth, Middlesex, England
Emma Agnes Hant Daughter - Female 11 1880 - Lambeth, Middlesex, England
George Edw Hant Son - Male 9 1882 - Lambeth, Middlesex,
Alice Matl Hant Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Fred Charles Hant Son - Male 5 1886 - Lambeth, Middlesex,
Alfred John Hant Son - Male 3 1888 - Dartford, Kent, England
Arthur Hant Son - Male 1 1890 - St George in the East, Middlesex,
Arthur Cork Boarder Single Male 30 1861 Labourer In Bone Works Lambeth, Middlesex,
John Cook Boarder Single Male 32 1859 Labourer In Bone Works Richmond, Surrey,

How about this marriage?

Emma Agnes Rickman
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:
Emma Agnes Rickman
Spouse:
George Hart
Record Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
10 Jun 1878
Parish:
Holy Trinity, Lambeth
Borough:
Lambeth
Father Name:
Edward Rickman
Spouse Father:
Stephan Hart
Register Type:
Parish Register

That's a great find Margaret- the baptism confirms his birth was in May