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Thank you Choccy for the 1911 info, that's exactly the family members I found in 1901 census and you have found them at Brunel Street in 1911 so I can be sure they are the right Phillips.
I really appreciate your help, now I can move on.

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

30 Brunel St Victoria Docks West Ham, West Ham, London, England


Henry Phillips Head Married Male General Labourer 48 1863 Bow London

Sarah Ann Phillips Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Bow London

>>>>>William Phillips Son Single Male General Labourer 22 1889 Canning Town

Frances Phillips Daughter Single Female Solderer 20 1891 Canning Town

Harold Phillips Son Single Male Yard-Lad 17 1894 Canning Town

James Phillips Son Single Male Yard-Lad 15 1896 Canning Town

Violet Phillips Daughter - Female School 8 1903 Canning Town

Alice Phillips Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Canning Town

James Hart Boarder Single Male Labourer 32 1879 London Limehouse

Need help again
I know have a copy of the marriage cert of William Phillips and Ellen Smith on April 7th 1912, St Lukes Church, Victoria Docks, West Ham.
William Phillips aged 23, living at 30 Brunel Street (not sure about Brunel) William's father was Henry or Harry Phillips, both Labourer's.
Ellen Smith aged 21 of 26 Scott Street and her father was William John Smith also a Labourer.
These ages are a bit off !! So hoping to find either of these two with their families on the 1911 census.
Thanks

Wonder about these two

VIEW England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
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Name: Ellen Phillips
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Sep 1930
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 349


William J Phillips
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Dec 1937
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 608

James birth cert will only confirm his parents names .

The marriage cert will give their ages on marriage and fathers names ,if known


Williams family census info has already been posted

James Phillips marriage cert arrived, I now know James father William Phillips was deceased in 1939 and the witnesses at the marriage was James sister Alice and his other deceased sister Ellen's husband, William J Baker(Baber on cert)
I can't find any info on James Phillips parents William J Phillips born 1884 and Ellen Smith born 1893, they were married in June 1912, West Ham.
Thinking that both James's parents (William J Phillips and Ellen Phillips nee Smith) were both deceased by 1939?? because when James's married aged 17 in 1939, he was living with sibling Alice and Brother in Law William J Baker(Baber)
Whats my best and cheapest option??
Thinking I should go straight to ordering James's parents (William J Phillips & Ellen Smith marriage cert)?? or should I get James birth cert?

I have found a marriage of William Phillips and Ellen Smith in 1912, West Ham. I have found 4 children from this marriage, Ellen born 1912(died 1937 Ellen Baker) Alice born 1919 living with sister Ellen's husband (William Baker) in 1939, Alice married Walter Sorenson in 1947. Twins Doris and James Phillips born 1921, West Ham. Doris died in 1921 and James was married to Jessie Graham in 1939. The only William (J) Phillips born 1884 that safc and I have found was single and living with his mother Ellen in 1939???
Can anyone shed any light on the marriage of William Phillips and Ellen Smith 1912, West Ham?? and their children Ellen, Alice, Doris and James between 1912 and 1939? Have to wait till monday now for son James marriage cert, should have arrived today :-(

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PHILLIPS, SARAH ANN BRUCE Order
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 77


PHILLIPS, WILLIAM JOHN BRUCE Order
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 98

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clyde Road, West Ham, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Phillips Head Married Male 39 1852 Housekeeper Isle of Man, Isle of Man
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Ellen Phillips Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Wapping, Middlesex, England
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William J Phillips Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Silvertown, Essex, England
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Sarah A Phillips Daughter - Female 4 1887 Scholar Silvertown, Essex, England

Thanks, That's put pay to William and Ellen being a couple married in 1912 West Ham then. I was looking for a Phillips married to Smith in west ham. Have the first Child Ellen born in Sept 1912, Alice 1919 and James 1921, certain these children are siblings, just need to find parents.

William J Phillips on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Phillips Household (3 People) 72 Jenkins Road , West Ham C.B., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William J Phillips 17 Jun 1884 Male Sugar Refinery Labourer Single 210 1
Ellen Phillips 25 Jun 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 210 2
Lily Phillips 15 Apr 1898 Female Office Cleaner Oil Works Single 210 3

Found parents of James Phillips, household look up please for 1939 register: William J Phillips born 1884 and Ellen Phillips at West Ham C B Essex. When I try and find Ellen's birth by searching Ellen Phillips with household member William J Phillips in West Ham, I can't find her?

Possibly because there was a correction in pencil on the original - in this case the image is 24 May 1861 but above a correction in pencil to 24/5/1867

The transcribers seem to have been stuck on which year to use

Why would a persons birth be missing from the 1939 register?
EG: Elizabeth Graham (Green) West Ham CB?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Gaverick Street, Poplar, London, England

Sarah J Williams Head Widow Female 32 1849 Laundress Millwall, Middlesex, England
Stephen Williams Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Millwall, Middlesex, England
Alice Williams Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Millwall, Middlesex, England
Alfred Williams Son Single Male 2 1879 - Millwall, Middlesex, England
Henry Smith Lodger Widower Male 61 1820 Boiler Maker Bedfordshire, England
James Cross Lodger Single Male 25 1856 Rivetter At Boiler Works Limehouse, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Alfred Robert
Last name Williams
Birth year 1879
Birth date 09/03/1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 18 Jun 1879
Address 27 Gaverick Street,Millwall
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's occupation Rivetter
Mother's first name(s) Sarah Jane
Parish St Luke, Millwall
Church address West Ferry Road
County London
Country England
Docklands Ancestors reference X085/131
Record set London, Docklands And East End Baptisms, 1558-1933
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Princes Street, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Thomas W Bristow Head Married Male 48 1843 Police Constable Metropolitan Hackney, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Bristow Wife Married Female 48 1843 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Lily Bristow Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Tea Labeller Hackney, Middlesex, England
John William Bristow Son Single Male 15 1876 Laundry Assistant Mile End
Rosa Bristow Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Mile End
Sophia Bristow Daughter Single Female 9 1882 Scholar Mile End
Victoria Bristow Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Mile End
Edward Martin Boarder Single Male 21 1870 Carman Limehouse

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31 Ogilby St Woolwich, Woolwich, London, England

John Ferris Head Married Male Dock Labourer 39 1872 London Bermondsey
Rosa Ferris Wife Married Female - 31 1880 London Whitechapel
Violet Ferris Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Essex West Thurrock
John Ferris Son - Male - 7 1904 Essex Tilbury
Bertha Ferris Daughter - Female - 2 1909 London Woolwich
Herbert Ferris Son - Male - 0 1911 London Woolwich
Jeannie Martin Niece Single Female General Servant Domestic 18

Married 11 years, 5 children born, 4 living and 1 had died

First name(s) ROSA I
Last name FERRIS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 73
Death quarter 4
Death year 1952
District West Ham
County Essex
Volume 5A
Page 750
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Ferris Household (4 People)
80 Mortlake Road , West Ham C.B., Essex, England

Rosa I Ferris
DOB 13 Apr 1879
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid House Wife
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 129
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

John J Ferris
DOB 11 Jan 1869
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Docks Labourer General Cargo
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 129
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Herbert A Ferris
DOB 07 Jul 1910
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Ambulance Driver A R P
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 129
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Ernest J Ferris
DOB 24 Feb 1920
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Carpenters Improver
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 129
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4
Ref: RG101/1047B/010/26 Letter Code: CBWR
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