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It certainly is a fantastic hobby , never know what you will find. I found that our neighbours ex husband turned out to be a second cousin of our son in law, they lived next door to each as well and never knew

John,
As you have an Ancestry acct, you can create a tree for your friend with all the info.
I would advise that you go into "settings" and make it private and unsearchable to others.
We can help.

Yes, it was another case where were entered into another similar family.
That was was so complicated as it started out in Scotland, children married and moved all around the world. It ended in England!

Presume it's another case you two have been on ,Sherlock and Holmes lol. I more or less understand it all. Printed it all out so can arrange everyone in families. I find it much easier to work on the UK look ups

James Langton Crosbie McDonnell.
1864 marriage index suggest he married Sarah Ann WELCH

Can't yet locate family at 1871 but children and their baptisms etc all match

1881:Poulton cum Seacombe County/Island: Cheshire

James L.C. McDonald 37
Sarah A. McDonald 34
Hilda C. McDonald 15
Elizabeth C. McDonald 14
Adelaide M. McDonald 5
James L.C. McDonald 3
William R. McDonald 2


1891: Tranmere, Cheshire\

James C Macdonell 48
Sarah C Macdonell 45
Adelaide Macdonell 15
James L Macdonell 13
William R Macdonell 11
Mary W Macdonell 9
Pierce Macdonell 6
Gertrude F Macdonell 4

1901: Liverpool
James H McDonnell 56
Sarah A McDonnell 54
William R C McDonnell 21
Pierce C McDonnell 16
Hilda C McDonnell 35
Adelaide M McDonnell 25
May W McDonnell 19
Gertrude F McDonnell 14
Mary Christian 37

Apologies. I cant get access to my PC tonight.
Daughter has software package on it and needs to use it.


Cant believe that you stumbled upon those Herveys again.
That is such a weird coincidence but at least you found that Miss Marshall was Margaret
Not the same Marshall family I presume?
That would be beyond weird!

John will be wondering what on earth we are talking about.!

John
Major Jas. Langton Sth Cork Militia died in Thomas St Limerick...but yes if Adelaide's place of Birth (France) is correct then yes he must have fought there. or been visiting..


GlassgowLass.....Look at what I found when looking at Marshall Marriages..Directly above the one for James Langton and Margaret Marshall.....

1824...

On the 16th of June last, at the Mauritius, Major Marshall of the 82nd Regiment, to Mary, daughter of James Hervey, Esq. of Ardwick Green, Manchester.

How strange it that.....????

You have both been brilliant, thank you so much for giving up your precious time to help me, you have certainly made my head whirl but I think I more or less have come to grips with it all. Regarding Maj James Langton, he must have gone to fight in France rather than originate

Eringobragh...
Copied and pasted:
"Yes..Well don't go down that road because its extremely complicated to work out ..The Crosbies (Co Kerry) ...(Crosbie/ McDonnell) married into the Raymonds...."

Guess what?
The Chute and Mason families in Co Kerry ( Chute Hall) also intermarried with the Crosbies

I'm not going down that route either. LOL

The parents of Robert D Curran were given as:
Andrew B Curran and M.E Pettijohn

Robert stated that he was a 36yr old Widower, born in NY and his Occupation was an Artist, living in Long Beach, California.
He stated that both his parents were also born in NY.

I have no idea what sort of Artist he may have been but ,I can't find anyone matching his profile, not before or after his marriage to Inez Paisley Langton ?


So much of the info found actually came from Ancestry.
Irish records that should be available via a UK sub.

Some Irish records can also be located on free site: www.irishgenealogy.ie

The other thing that is quite frustrating relates to the birth of Major Langtons youngest son from his 1st marriage.

Richard was born circa 1815.
We know that Major Langton was then widowed and remarried.
We also know that daughter Adelaide from his 2nd marriage was born circa 1820 but states she was born in France.
As I can't find anything relating to any of these events, I wonder if Major Langton married his 2nd wife in France?

Perhaps if we could determine exactly where The South Cork Militia were based between 1815 and 1820, it would clarify things.
As a Major, his wife would be allowed to accompany her husband

Meant to say I asked my friend where she was born and it was in Chicago Heights

Glasgowlass and Erin, my friend in Holland is absolutally blown away with what you have found about her fathers family, she didn't even know her father let alone his family. Thank you so much for all your hard work in finding it out. I was able to do snippets but then I only pay into Ancestry and beginning to think I have wasted a lot of money with them. It s OK in doing my UK look ups though
Please dare I ask if it is possible to look up the parents of Robert D Curran who married Inez Paisley Langton. Where they came from. Robert and Inez. married 1920 Long Beach CA

I need to go out now but, I will have a look for the Crosbie McDonnells when I get back, Eringobragh.

In the meantime, we now know how William Langton got to be in Co Kerry before he married Charlotte and explains how sister Adelaide came to be married at Lisselton Church, Co Kerry in 1833
They moved there with their mother after her 1823 marriage


I am almost certain that William Langton's mother was fairly young and had at least one child with James W Raymond.


Perhaps?
James Raymond of Dromin
He married Kate/ Catherine Mason of Chute Hall in Kerry on 27 Jan 1857.
( Gentry?)
His father is named as James, Occ: Gentleman
Her father was: Richard. Occ: Gentleman

Son named James William Raymond was born to this couple at Dromin House on 14 Jun 1858

Yes..Well don't go down that road because its extremely complicated to work out ..The Crosbies (Co Kerry) ...(Crosbie/ McDonnell) married into the Raymonds....

GlasgowLass can you see if you can find James Langton Crosbie McDonnell on any UK Census...I cannot.
All the children were Baptised Liverpool and he died in Liscard Cheshire 1923 aged 80yrs .
He married a Sarah Ann who died 1913 who I think was nee Finlay..

Hanoria Charlotte Hall:
Married: William Henry Buller on 1 Oct 1883 in Dublin
( under 21 and classed as minor)

/civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10950/8001839.pdf

And....
I found the marriage announcement
Includes the words...
Grand daughter of the late Major Langton and the late JAMES W RAYMOND, of Dromin House, KERRY
( parish of Listowel)


Dublin Daily Express 02 October 1883
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48110868

Loads of Raymond deaths and marriages at Dromin House and too many called James!
He may have been married before or his father was also named James.

Agnes, daughter of James Raymond of Dromin House married in 1832.

Someone named James Raymond of Dromin house had a wife named Leticia
Another daughter married in 1842 and this James was already deceased.
Widow, Leticia died in 1843

I would guess that these are James William Raymond's parents and siblings rather that the man himself ?

Births:

Honoria Charlotte Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1864
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amilia Langton

William Langton Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Aug 1866
Birth Place: Clontarf and Raheny, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

Henrietta Johanna Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 Sep 1867
Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton


Inez Mabel Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1873
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

Name: Anna Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1868
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton


Note name:
**John Richard Raymond Hall **
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1872
Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

De Lancy Philpott Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 May 1876
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

Theophilus Mario Langton Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 May 1878
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Hall Langton

Henrietta's death:

Henrietta A Hall
[Henrietta A Langton]
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1845
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 28 Jun 1913
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Forest Home
Death Age: 67
Occupation: Housewife
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Female
***Residence: Salt Lake City, Utah***
Father Name: Wm Langton
Father Birth Place: Ireland
Mother Birth Place: Ireland

John...Hen.and daughter Hen went to Chicago 1909...see my above post....and the children are from the marriage of Wm and Charlotte's daughter Henrietta.

This latest family in Chicago. I see in 1901 Henrietta stayed in Dublin. Presume all the childrens names found are from the family members from the children who went out with William and Charlotte

Adelaide Enright at 1901:http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Blackrock/Carysfort_Avenue/1312847/

Entered as age 81.
Estimated Year of birth 1819 France

Died 1910 aged age 89rs.

She must have been a child bride. Married around the age of 14yrs ?

My head is spinning...!!!

GlasgowLass....will get back to you post above but in the meantime the following is what I found re Henrietta Amelia Langton Hall...
A closer look at the MC to John Hall shows they were married by Registrar 24 Dec.1863 ....so they had a Civil and Church wedding afterwards.

On the 1901 Census for Dublin John Hall is aged 74 !! b Cork and a Spirit Distiller...
There are no children living with them Henrietta gives her place of birth as Kerry she is 55
address Lower Sherrard St. Rotunda Dublin

Found these Children....

William Langton b.1866
Henrietta Johanna 67..died Forest Park Chicago 1927..unmarried
Anna 68
John Richard Raymond 72
Inez Mabel 73
Delancy Philpot 76 married Mary O'Brien 1908 Chicago.
Theophylus Mario Langton 78

Most of them ended up in Cook County Chicago

Henrietta A Hall died in Chicago (Forest Home) 1913 aged 65 informant son Delancy P Hall

Henrietta and Daughter Henrietta sailed from Derry Sept 19 1909 SS Columbia going to son DPH Chicago Ill..

Eringobragh,
Re Adelaide Langton/ Crosbie McDonnell/ Enright

I need your thoughts on this.....

Firstly
On the Commission Report of 1851 relating to the sanity of Richard Langton or Marshall, it states he was a man of "about 36yrs of age"
Based on this, I guessed Richard was born circa 1815
He could have been a bit older or even a bit younger

His cousin, Adam Newman, also gave evidence and explained that Richard was the son from Major Langton's first marriage and that William and Adelaide were children by issue of Major Langton's 2nd marriage.
Also that Richard had been a Ward Of The Chancery from an early age.
( we know that he was orphaned by Major Langton's death at 1821)

From this, I estimated that Richard's mother ( Miss Marshall) died soon after his birth and his father was remarried to "Anne" not long after .

Secondly
I know that you located the info on Adelaide Langton
Married 1st to Francis Crosbie (McDonnell) and 2nd to George Enright

Adelaide died at: 6 Prince Of Wales Terrace, Dublin on 31 Jan 1910
Her age is given as 89yrs which suggests a birth of circa 1820.
The informant was her grand daughter Mary McDonnell of the same address

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48102149
Everything adds up so far, except......

I located Adelaide's 1st marriage
She married Francis Crosbie in,,,,, 1833 !!
Either a child bride or older than 89yrs when she died??
What are your thoughts?

The Dublin Observer 9 Mar 1833 http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48101845


We are possibly done with the Langton line now as we know who William's parents and full and half siblings were.
The only marriage that we didn't locate was for his older half sister named Isabella.
I don't think I said.... Richard Langton never married

James married Dorcas Harte
Isabella. No info found
Richard never married
William married Charlotte Amelia Paisley
Adelaide married Francis Crosbie (McDonnell) and George Enright

William and Adelaide's mother was called Anne and married Dr Raymond in 1823

William's daughter named Anna had a middle name starting with "L"
If we could follow her on US Data, we could possibly find that middle name.
It's a long shot but, it "could" be the maiden name of William's mother