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Just a Journeyman or journeyman and a trade ? Who were the witnesses, it sometimes helps. Are you getting the b 1898 from the age on the Marriage certificate?
What was his Father's name and occupation? ALL details please.

Possible his Father was the Chemist I don't know......Johns' son who was adopted was taken back to Liverpool and adopted by a couple nearby Scotland Road in Liverpool.
The dates and information given re Audrey Hallsworths' parents names and her marriage to John are all correct. John was named as a Journeyman for occupation. I am his Grandaughter and wonder what became of him, (his and Audreys' marriage must have been dissolved) as she re-married again later on.

2 trees on Ancestry have him born Liverpool 1898 and 1 relates to the 1911 census posted where his Father is a Chemist and Druggist. Not saying they are correct. Apart from the marriage to Audrey and the 2 children there is no further info.

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription

First name(s) Audrey Ethel Dorothea
Last name Hallsworth
Gender Female
Birth year 1898
Birth place -
Baptism year 1898
Baptism date 24 Jul 1898
Residence Derbyshire, England
Place Boulton
County Derbyshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Hallsworth
Mother's first name(s) Annie
Mother's last name

Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription

First name(s) Audrey Ethel
Last name Hallsworth
Marriage year 1919
Parish St.Michael
Place Alvaston
Spouse's first name John West
Spouse's last name Girvan
Reference C04/01/239
Register Office 394
County Derbyshire
Country England

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) AUDREY E
Last name HALLSWORTH
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1919
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ AUDREY E HALLSWORTH married
John W Girvan
Spouse's last name Girvan
District Shardlow
District number -
County Derbyshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 1407

Do you have his marriage certificate - can you give ALL the details from it please. Who does he name as his Father, what are the occupations of himself and Father, who are the witnesses.

What makes you think he had another family later in life?

Patricia
what is john west girvan father called

and his occupation

Thank you to the people who have responded to my Post re John Girvan. He had a middle forename West....eg John West Girvan and married Audrey Dorothy Hallsworth in 1919...in Derbyshire. He has a son Wilfred born the same year 1919 and also had another son Alan with Audrey six years later, who was put up for adoption, with a couple from Liverpool.
(The John Girvan who was born in 1899 and was a pharmacist is not the same person). Kind regards Pat Girvan

Elizabeth M Wales...St Mary's Walton on the Hill 1893

Possibly Eliz.Baptism.....

Baptism: 23 Nov 1859 St Matthias, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Margaret Wales - Daur of John Wales & Eliza
Abode: Athol St
Occupation: Pensioner
Baptised by: C H Hyde Off Min
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1926, Page 83, Entry 658
Source: LDS Film 1656207

Who did your great grandfather/ grandfather marry?

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) John
Last name Girvan
Name note -
Marriage year 1930
Marriage date 07 Sep 1930
Marriage place Liverpool
Marriage date note Last Bann
Spouse's first name(s) May Alexandra
Spouse's last name Treanor
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Country England

John Girvan on the 1939 Register

Girvan Household (3 People) 26 Frankby Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
John Girvan 25 Oct 1899 Male Pharmacist Own Account Married 65 1
May A Girvan 05 Feb 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 65 2
Maud Girvan 25 Dec 1900 Female ? Machine Operator Liverpool Corporation Treasurers Department Single 65 3


and his death.



England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) JOHN
Last name GIRVAN
Gender Male
Birth day 25
Birth month 10
Birth year 1899
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1983
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Volume 36
Page 0685


and May's death.


First name(s) MAY ALEXANDRA
Last name GIRVAN
Gender Female
Birth day 5
Birth month 2
Birth year 1901
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1976
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Volume 36
Page 0757

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
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First name(s) John
Last name Girvan
Gender Male
Birth year 1899
Birth place -
Baptism year 1899
Baptism date 03 Nov 1899
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Girvan
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Margaret
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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GIRVAN, JOHN WALES Order
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 43

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
289, Scotland Road, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Girvan Head Married Male 56 1845 Chemist & Druggist Scotland
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Eliza M Girvan Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Eliza M Girvan Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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John Girvan Son Single Male 1 1900 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Maud Girvan Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Jane Taylor Servant Single Female 20 1881 General Serv Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Emily Todd Servant Single Female 15 1886 Nurse Serv Liverpool, Lancashire, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
389 Scotland Road Liverpool, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Girvan Head Married Male Chemist And Druggist 66 1845 Pumfrieshire Punscot Resident
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Elizabeth Margaret Girvan Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Lancs Liverpool
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Elizabeth Margaret Girvan Daughter Single Female School 15 1896 Lancs Liverpool
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John Girvan Son - Male School 11 1900 Lancs Liverpool
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Maud Girvan Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Lancs Liverpool

who did he marry

Births Dec 1899   (>99%)

Girvan
 John
 
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My Great Grandparent .......I can't find info; any further on than 1930's. I imagine John may have had another family in later life perhaps, but his details are non existent. On his marriage certificate to my Grandmother he had John West as first names.
Thank you for any thoughts xx