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I am looking for a birth certificate for Doris Hayes, I have her mother Ethel Lyon Hayes on the 1911 census at 313 Edge Lane, Liverpool. Which I believe to be a home for unmarried mothers. Ethel is listed in the census as 'inmate' Ethel is my Gg grandmother and brought my grandmother up believing that Doris was my grandmothers Aunt.
I have found Doris on 2 marriage certificates and on her son's birth certificate so I know this is the name she went by. Could it be that she changed her name from the birth certificate?
Or could Ethel have left the unmarried mothers home to have Doris so would be registered elsewhere?
Ethel had family connections in Maryport and Whitehaven but I can't find anything there either.
Any ideas would be a help.
Thanks

Have you got Doris's death certificate or do you know her exact birth date? (Have you found her in 1939?)

this is the only doris born in the Liverpool area


 
HAYES, DORIS    
DAVIS  

GRO Reference: 1911  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 631
 

There is also a Doris Hayes aged 3 months at the same address

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Ethel
Last name Hayes
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Occupation Domestic
Age 17
Birth year 1894
Birth place Maryport
Address 313 Edge Lane Liverpool
Parish West Derby
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district West Derby
Registration district number 455
Enumeration district 11
District number -
Sub district West Derby Eastern
Sub district number 10
Census reference RG14PN22621 RG78PN1327 RD455 SD10 ED11 SN180
Piece number 22621
Folio -
Page -

Original has aged 3 months

1911 census taken 2nd April so Doris born Dec 1910/ Jan 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Doris
Last name Hayes
Relationship Inmate
Sex Female
Occupation -
Age 0
Birth year 1911
Birth place Liverpool
Address 313 Edge Lane Liverpool
Parish West Derby
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district West Derby
Registration district number 455
Enumeration district 11
District number -
Sub district West Derby Eastern
Sub district number 10
Census reference RG14PN22621 RG78PN1327 RD455 SD10 ED11 SN180
Piece number 22621
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -

Possibly one of these? 1911

From free site http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
HAYES Doris M West Derby Western Liverpool WDW/69/47
HAYES Doris West Derby Eastern Liverpool WDE/34/30

or this one 1910 which would mean Doris was born December 1910 (no equivalent on lancsbmd, only a Doris M registered Didsbury)

HAYES, DORIS - Order
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 311

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

I've deleted the birth I posted earlier as I now think that the one Malyon fond is most likely:-

First name(s) DORIS
Last name HAYES
Birth year 1911
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WEST DERBY
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 631
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

This would make the child about 3 months when the census was taken at the beginning of April.

Kath. x

Ethel Lyon Hayes birth registration mmn Quinn - was hoping it was Davis!! (just incase Ethel was trying to make the birth look respectable and used her own Mum's maiden name)

HAYES, ETHEL LYON QUINN Order
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 611

I was going for the Doris born at end of 1910, as the one born in 1911 in West Derby is, surely:
HAYES, DORIS mmn DAVIS
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 631

but that was why I wondered if a more precise birthday was known.

1901 census

William M Hayes
Head
M
39
Rainhill, Lancashire
Martha Hayes
Wife
F
34
Whitehaven, Cumberland
Helen G Hayes
Daughter
F
9
Maryport, Cumberland
Ethel L Hayes
Daughter
F
7
Maryport, Cumberland
Mabel Hayes
Daughter
F
4
Liverpool, Lancashire
Florence R Hayes
Daughter
F
1
Warrington, Lancashire
Richard Deakin
Boarder
M
65
Latchford, Cheshire

parents marriage

Marriages Jun 1888   (>99%)

Hayes
 William Meadows
 
 Whitehaven
 10b
907
  
Quinn
 Martha
 
 Whitehaven
 10b
907
  

Martha Quinn
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name
Martha Quinn
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1881
Event Place
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Registration District
Whitehaven
Residence Note
Burmeats Terrace
Gender
Female
Age
16
Marital Status (Original)
Single
Occupation
Textile Saleswoman (Fancy Goods)
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1865
Birthplace
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England


Mary Quinn
Wife Head
F
42
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Mary J Quinn
Daughter
F
18
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Martha Quinn
Daughter
F
16
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Just in case you don't have the 1939 register for Ethel who married Hugh in 1916 (her age seems to have slipped a bit on the transcription, but looking at the original I think there are a couple of ink blots over the 4 making it look like a 9!)

Richard V Hayes is her uncle (brother to her Father William Meadows Hayes)

Hughes Household (5 People)
42 Coney Green , Oswestry M.B., Shropshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Ethel L Hughes 22 Feb 1899 Female Laundry Work And Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 279 1
Hugh Hughes 04 Oct 1892 Male Motor Engineer Married 279 2
Elizabeth Davis (Hughes) 04 Sep 1920 Female Laundry Work Owner Single 279 3
Richard V Hayes 05 Jun 1869 Male Tailor Master Widowed 279 7
Joseph Stacey 19 Jan 1883 Male Carpenter & Joiner Single 279 8

There are 3 closed records after Elizabeth b Bangor, Caernarvon- probably the children b 1922 Conway, Caernarvon (Benjamin who died 2010 as per an Ancestry tree), and 2 others 1925 ? Bangor and 1929 Oswestry

Doesn't help with Doris (she might have been there with a DOB conveniently showing)

Who did Doris marry and when ? - she may be found on the 1939 register which will give a DOB

51 Ottley Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Doris Owens (Hayes) 13 Jan 1911 Female Time & Wages Clerk Single 98 3
John Hayes 28 Dec 1888 Male Toolroom Fitter Married 98 1
Margaret E Hayes 02 Jul 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 98 2

I think this is the birth Malyon posted....and Kath endorsed...so not "our" Doris

Jude

With this being the corresponding 1911 census

Name: Doris Hayes
Age in 1911: 3/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
Search Photos: Search for 'West Derby' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 32 Tweed St Liverpool
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 22615
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabela Davis 44
Thos Davis 18
Wm Davis 10
Margaret Hayes 20
John Hayes 22
Doris Hayes 3/12


Jude

Which takes us back to this birth that Greyghost posted

HAYES, DORIS GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 311

Jude

I'm amazed at the detective work, thank you all for your help, I have Doris marrying Frederick Sagar in 1933 in Oswestry. The 1939 census is correct as my mother grew up in Coney Green so we are definitely on the right track. :-D

Rebecca,

Am I reading it correctly that your grandmother believe Doris to be her aunt? Who was your gran?

Do you know who Doris married?

Jude

Here's Frederick Sagar in 1939

5 Rhoswiel , Oswestry R.D., Shropshire, England

Frederick W Sagar 14 Dec 1900 Male Colliery Haulage Hand Below Heavy Worker Married 288 1
Kenneth Sagar 31 May 1938 Male Under School Age Single 288 4

And Kenneth's mother's maiden name was Hayes. She must be one of the closed records

Jude