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I am just starting to compile a tree for my wife's mother, named above. She married James Douglas Hawkless in 5/12/1946 in Invercargill, New Zealand. Isabella was born in Invercargill on 7/7/1924
Her parents were Alexander Cheyne, born in Dunrossness, Shetland Isles, in 21/1/1875. Her mother was Isabella Thompson White, born 24/12/1883 in Palmerston, New Zealand.
Her grandfather on her mothers side was James White, born 7/8/1847 in Ans. Scotland, unsure what ANS is an abbreviation of, and grandmother was Isabella White born 1847, Ban, Scotland, again do not know what BAN is short for.
Her grandfather on her fathers side was Sinclair Cheyne, and grandmother was Catherine Goudie( Gaudie)

Any help would be appreciated or even pointing me in the right direction. As you can imagine doing Scottish research from New Zealand is not easy.

Thanks in advance

Roy Horwell

On the New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1934 on Anc. there is this marriage. Would the marriage cert list their parents names??

Name: James White
Spouse: Isabella Thomson
Marriage: 1880

Kay

Edit - I see parents names were not included until 1881 or occasionally late 1880 http://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/faq#M1

Are you sure about her DOB?


Isobel Thomson Hawkless

Birth date05/07/1924

Age at death78

Registration year 2002

Registration number 2002/2536

Certificate ordering
To order, visit https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/NonHistoricRecords

Record set New Zealand death index

Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/familygroup.php?familyID=F120487&tree=ID1

http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/getperson.php?personID=I125233&tree=ID1

(appears on google search)

Chris :)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

(in case anything Newspapers)



14 December 1907 - Shetland Times - Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland

Deaths.
At Exnaboe, Dunrossness, on 13th November, Catherine Cheyne, aged 77 years, relict of the late Sinclair Cheyne, fisherman. Dearly beloved and sadly missed.


12 June 1897 - Shetland Times - Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland

Deaths.
At 70 Denmark Street, South Shields, on the 30th May, Janet, the beloved wife of Henry Gilbertson, and youngest daughter of Sinclair and Catherine Cheyne. Exnaboe. Dunrossness, Shetland, aged 32. Dearly beloved and deeply regretted.

ANS- possibly short for ANGUS.

Where did James DOB come from?

Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name James White
Gender Male
Christening Date 29 Aug 1847
Christening Place DUN,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date 07 Aug 1847<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Name Thomas White
Mother's Name Elisabeth Nicol
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on census:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farm House of Gilrivie, Dun, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Thomas White Head Married Male 33 1818 Farmer (Of 120 Acres 4 Labourers 2 Men 1 Woman & 1 Boy Craig, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elisabeth White Wife Married Female 34 1817 Farmer's Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
David White Son - Male 5 1846 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
James White Son - Male 3 1848 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
William White Son - Male 1 1850 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
Jane Scott Servant Unmarried Female 21 1830 Kitchen Maid Fettercairn, Kincardineshire,
Mary Gavin Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 Ag Lab Fettercairn, Kincardineshire,
Alexander Stewart Servant - Male 17 1834 Ag Lab Fordoun, Kincardineshire,

In loving memory of
Isabella
Beloved wife of
James White
25th Aug 1915
Aged 68 years
Also their son David
Drowned in launch Iris
6th Nov 1913 aged 24 years
Also the said
James White
Who died 13th May 1928
Aged 82 years
Also 23643 Pte Andrew White
13th Reinf 1st NZEF
Died 8th Nov 1963

In loving memory of
Alexander Cheyne
Died 21st Sep 1945 aged 71 years
And his wife
Isabella T Cheyne
Died 15th Dec 1959 aged 77 years

http://icc.govt.nz/cemetery-result/?id=30783

Chris :)

BAN possibly short for Banffshire?

1851 Scotland Census
View Record
Name Sinclair Cheyne
Age 19
Estimated Birth Year abt 1832
Relationship Son
Father Sinclair Cheyne
Mother Barbara Cheyne nee Garriock ???
Gender Male
Where born Dunrossness
Parish Number 3
Civil parish Dunrossness
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps 8411
County Shetland
Address South Exnaboe
Occupation Fisherman
ED 4
Page 9
Household schedule number 31
Line 13
Roll CSSCT1851_1
Household Members
Name Age
Sinclair Cheyne 58
Barbara Cheyne 58
Margt Cheyne 32
Anderina Cheyne 27
Sinclair Cheyne 19
James Cheyne 17
Sinclair Cheyne 6


1861 Scotland Census
View Record
Name Sinclair Cheyne
Age 29
Estimated Birth Year abt 1832
Relationship Head
Spouse's Name Catherine Cheyne
Gender Male
Where born Dunrossness, Shetland
Registration Number 3/1
Registration district Dunrossness
Civil parish Dunrossness
County Shetland
Address Lo Exnoboe
Occupation Fisherman & Crofter
ED 3
Household schedule number 20
Line 1
Roll CSSCT1861_1
Household Members
Name Age
Sinclair Cheyne 29
Catherine Cheyne 29
Isabella Cheyne 3
Magnus Cheyne 1


Name Sinclar Cheyne
Age 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1831
Relationship Head
Spouse's Name Cathrine Cheyne
Gender Male
Where born Dunrossness, Shetland
Registration Number 3/1
Registration district Dunrossness
Civil parish Dunrossness
County Shetland
Address Exnaboe
Occupation Crofter & Fisherman
ED 3
Household schedule number 30
Line 14
Roll cssct1881_1
Household Members
Name Age
Sinclar Cheyne 50
Cathrine Cheyne 50
Isabella Cheyne 23
Magnus Cheyne 21
Robert Cheyne 19
Janet Cheyne 16
Sinclar Cheyne 11
James Cheyne 9
Alexander Cheyne 6
William Cheyne 3

Name: Sinclarius Cheyne
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Nov 1792
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1792
Baptism Place: Dunrossness,Shetland,Scotland
Father: Robert Cheyne
Mother: Ursilla Mathar
FHL Film Number: 919487

Name: Sinclair Cheyne
Spouse: Barbara Garrack
Marriage: 19 Oct 1815 - Dunrossness,Shetland,Scotland

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
South Exnaboe, Dunrossness, Shetland, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sinclair Cheyne Head Married Male 59 1832 Crofter Shetland Islands, Scotland
Transcription
Catherina Cheyne Wife Married Female 59 1832 Spinner Shetland Islands, Scotland
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Isabella Cheyne Daughter Unmarried Female 31 1860 Shawl Knitter Shetland Islands, Scotland
Transcription
Jessie Cheyne Daughter Unmarried Female 26 1865 Shawl Knitter Shetland Islands, Scotland
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Alexander Cheyne Son Unmarried Male 16 1875 Fisherman Shetland Islands, Scotland
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William Cheyne Son Unmarried Male 14 1877 Shop Boy Shetland Islands, Scotland
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John Goudie Visitor Unmarried Male 56 1835 Carpenter Shetland Islands, Scotland



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Crofters House Exnaboe, 1, Dunrossness, Sandwick & Cunningsburgh, Dunrossness, Shetland, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Catherine Cheyne Head Widow Female 69 1832 Crofter Dunrossness, Shetland Islands, Scotland
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Isabella Cheyne Daughter Single Female 43 1858 Knitter Dunrossness, Shetland Islands, Scotland
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Alexander Cheyne Son Single Male 26 1875 Fisherman Dunrossness, Shetland Islands, Scotland
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Henry Gilbertson Son-In-Law Widower Male 36 1865 Seaman Dunrossness, Shetland Islands, Scotland

James White from Duns.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Davids Street, Brechin, Brechin Burgh, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Whyte Head Married Male 42 1819 Stone Mason Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Elizabeth Whyte Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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James Whyte Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Andrew Whyte Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

ANS, BAN are Chapman county codes for Angus (aka Forfarshire) and Banffshire.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes


Since the usual abbreviation for Banffshire is Banff, it can be awkward to know if a p.o.b. of Banff refers to the city or the county.
At least in your notes, you can use BAN to distinguish them.
This is particularly useful in Scotland. E.g., ABD, AYR, BAN, DFS, DNB, INV, KKD, NAI, PEE, PER, SEL, STI.

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/ has maps for every Scottish county showing parishes.
Dunrossness is the southernmost parish on Mainland - it also includes Fair Isle, and is the only parish S of 60deg lat.

You'll really need to buy some credits at SP to see BMD.certs, OPR entries and census images.

However, a useful free resource for Bs and Ms is:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

Here are some hits from FS:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY79-THM

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79K-N2N
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79K-XHB
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQK4-1ZK
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ4M-TZ6
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQR6-6YC
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQKH-CYY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ7S-82N

NB FS often doesn't distinguish between the calling of banns and the marr.


Scottish statutory BMDs give both parents of the subject(s), including the mum's M.S. (=maiden surname).
B.certs give the date and place of the parents' marr (except in the late 1850s).

Pre-1855, you'll need OPRs - for coverage, see:
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/old-parish-registers/list-of-old-parish-registers
[from this, we learn Dunrossness is parish # 3]

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
has censuses, but the coverage varies.
SHI 1841, BAN 1841-1861, ANS 1841 are complete, plus 32% of 1851 ANS.

FS's censuses are useless - you'll need Ancestry or FMP/GR to see 1841-1901 (1911 is via SP only)

Suppose I wish to limit my search of Bs or Ms to Dunrossness on FS.
I can limit this with a batch #.
The form is c11pppd for christenings, and m11pppd for marrs.
For Dunrossness, substiute its parish # for ppp (i.e., substiute 003)
The last digit is a date code.
For 1855 thru 1875-ish, the date code is d=1 - if there're too many, then d=3 is used for the newer ones.(This data is extracted from the GROS index).
The remaining numbers are used for pre-1855 OPRs, with the higher numbers for newer ones.
(For Dunrossness, only 2 and 4 are used)
[NB this fails for big cities, where there are just too many entries to fit this scheme].



http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/727896

1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/3 Place: Dunrossness -Shetland Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dunrossness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunrossness&FairIsle
Folio: 4 Page: 15
Address: Exnaboe
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CHEYNE Sinclair M 50 Fisherman Shetland
CHEYNE Barbara F 50 Shetland
CHEYNE Robert M 25 Fisherman Shetland
CHEYNE Margaret F 20 Shetland
CHEYNE Andrina F 15 Shetland
CHEYNE Janet F 15 Shetland
CHEYNE Sinclair M 10 Shetland
CHEYNE James M 8 Shetland
BAIRNSON William M 15 Male Servant Shetland
CHEYNE Helen F 55 Shetland

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