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Long shot suggestion for Daisy in 1901 - a laundress, which is what Daisy Richardson was in 1911:

Daisy Richards
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Daisy Richards
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Croydon, Surrey, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornton Heath St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Laundress <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Condition as to marriage: single <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 70
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 646
Folio: 60
Page Number: 48
Household schedule number: 271
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Thaman 53
Grace Thaman 22
Lilian Thaman 20
William Thaman 16
Winifred Thaman 15
Kathleen Thaman 11
Oscar Thaman 8
Poole Charles 34
Daisy Richards 20

(just to add, that 1918 Bethnal Marriage, as below, Ancestry, London)

Daisy Violet Ainsworth
abt 1898 5 Oct 1918 Frederick Cecil Lean St John, Bethnal Green

(his Father, William, occ. Brewer)

Chris :)

Burial
County Kent
Place Gravesend
Church name St George
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1173
Burial date 16 Jan 1906
Person age 23m
Burial person forename Frederick Thomas
Burial person surname LEAR
Burial person abode 33 Wakefield St. Gravesend

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(did see below, not sure!?)

No, hold on a minute, witnesses on Marriage, look to be those with Daisy 1911, posted earlier...

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Cole Daisy Elliott Gravesend 2a 1675
Elliott William G Cole Gravesend 2a 1675


County Kent
Place Gravesend
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 6
Marriage date 18 Oct 1919
Groom forename William George
Groom surname ELLIOTT
Groom age 31
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode 6 Cross Lane
Groom occupation Seaman
Bride forename Daisy
Bride surname COLE
Bride age 35
Bride condition Widow
Bride abode 8 Cross Lane
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname ELLIOTT
Groom father occupation Carman
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname RICHARDSON
Bride father occupation Coal wharfer
Witness Albert BROOKS
Witness Ann BROOKS
Register note Married by Licence. Both fathers deceased


1939 Register (Find My Past)

8 Smarts Road , Gravesend M.B., Kent
Daisy Elliott 01 Mar 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
William George Elliott 26 Mar 1890 Male Chemical India Rubber Moulder Married
Joan Lear 19 Dec 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


All Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Daisy Richard (Richards on image)
17 Oct 1889 (Born 1st March 1883 Croydon, Holy Saviour William Richard,
Lucy Richard
(Abode, 225, White Horse Road, Croydon)

(also same time, Nellie and Harry)


Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
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RICHARDS Daisy Croydon 2a 195


Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Cole William T Richardson Strood 2a 1431
Richardson Daisy Cole Strood 2a 1431


Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Brooks Albert David Gravesend 2a 1241
Newton Ann Gravesend 2a 1241


North West Kent Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Daisy
Last name Elliott
Birth year 1883
Burial year 1978
Burial date 11 May 1978
Residence Flat 71 The Almshouses Wrotham Rd.
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery
County Kent


First name(s) William George
Last name Elliott
Birth year 1891
Burial year 1952
Burial date 10 Jan 1952
Residence 8 Smarts Rd.
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery


Deaths Jun 1978 (95%)
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ELLIOTT DAISY 1MR1883 DARTFORD 16 921


(if him below)

North West Kent Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s)
William Thomas
Last name Cole
Birth year 1879
Burial year 1918
Burial date 16 Dec 1918
Residence Maidstone Asylum
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery

In that case, Chris, this is Daisy in 1891 , and the 1901 I posted earlier looks right (slight variation in YOB):

Daisy Richards
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Daisy Richards
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Richards
Mother's name: Lucy Richards
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 593
Folio: 54
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Richards 52
[Abt 64]
Lucy Richards 50
Rose Richards 14
John Richards 10
Nellie Richards 9
Daisy Richards 8
Harvy Richards 3 [Harry on image]

So who is Joan Lear on 1939 with Daisy Elliott, posted below?...

(wish I had more time here today, lol)

Chris :)

The family in earlier censuses:

Lucy Richards
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Lucy Richards
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William Richards
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 5 Lahore Road
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 816
Folio: 44
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Richards 48
Lucy Richards 42
Eliza Richards 20
Jane Richards 15
Precilla Richards 10
Rose Richards 5
John Richards 3
Nelly Richards




Lucy Richards
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Lucy Richards
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Richards
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 184
Piece: 840
Folio: 17
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William Richards 30
Lucy Richards 32
Lizzie Richards 11
William Richards 7
Jane Richards 4



Lucy Richards
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Lucy Richards
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Richards
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England ????
Civil Parish: Ewell
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Epsom
ED, institution, or vessel: 9g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 419
Folio: 184
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Richards 29
Lucy Richards 22
Eliza Richards 9/12

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Richards William Malling 2a 585
Wingfield Lucy Sophia Malling 2a 585




RICHARDS, DAISY mms WINGFIELD
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 195

Re Joan - good question, Chris!

???

Joan Lear
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joan Lear
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1905
Date of Registration: Apr 2002
Age at Death: 96
Registration district: Worcester
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Register Number: B73E
District and Subdistrict: 5271B
Entry Number: 198



Joannah Lear
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joannah Lear
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1905
Date of Registration: Apr 2002
Age at Death: 96
Registration district: Worcester
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Register Number: B73E
District and Subdistrict: 5271B
Entry Number: 198

Wow thank you all so much for finding the above, Well it seems Frederick Charles looking at the information never married Daisy Richardson , she was obviously not with him, yet all his 4 children took his name,how strange. Still none the wiser who exactly Daisy Richardson is so unable to go down her line. I really appreciate your help. Beginning to think Ancestry is not all that good for finding information. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas

Goodness Chis the marriage you found of Daisy Elliot has amazed me, I am doing the tree for a friend. I see she lived at 8 Cross Lane Gravesed, that's the 1st house my wife and I bought

It's a very small world!

Lack of info is not necessarily the fault of Ancestry, John.

People didn't necessarily put correct info in censuses and other records.

Re Joan Lear, married woman in 1939 register - I can't see a likely marriage anywhere, 1920 - 39

Good work!

Daisy's son's wife (Known as Joan)!

Marriage:
First name(s) HARRY E
Last name LEAR
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1933
Spouse: JOHNANNA GRANT
Spouse's last name GRANT
District GRAVESEND
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A Page 2499
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Both died in Worcestershire:

First name(s) HARRY ERNEST A
Last name LEAR
Gender Male
Birth day 23
Birth month 3
Birth year 1905
Death quarter 2
Death year 1988
District WORCESTER
Register number 588
County Worcestershire
Volume 29 Page 815
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Ah!, that explains the Joan one then!...

Never ceases to amaze what coincidences arise when doing this family history lark!, lol,

Chris :)

(below for Mother of Daisy, perhaps)

Birth
WINGFIELD, LUCY SOPHIA (JACKSON)
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in SAINT JAMES WESTMINSTER Volume 01 Page 102


Deaths Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Richards Lucy Sophia 59 Croydon 2a 154


Kent Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Lucy Sophia
Last name Wingfield
Birth year 1837
Marriage year 1859
Marriage year as transcribed 1859
Marriage date 15 Oct 1859
Church Holy Trinity
Marriage place East Peckham, Holy Trinity
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Richards
Groom's first name William
Groom's last name
Richards
Groom's birth year 1834
Groom's age 25
Groom's marital status Bachelor
Groom's occupation Labourer
Groom's residence Little Mill
Groom's father's name William
Groom's father's occupation
Millwright
Bride's first name Lucy Sophia
Bride's last name Wingfield
Bride's birth year 1837
Bride's age 22
Bride's marital status Spinster
Bride's residence Little Mill
Bride's father's name William
Bride's father's occupation Labourer
Banns or licence Banns

I think I am getting to grips with things. Frederick Charles Lear, was the father of William Frederick born 1907, who was the father of my friend. The mother of William Frederick being Daisy Richardson or Daisy Richards. In 1911 Daisy and 2 living sons living as boarders with Albert and Ann Brooks .Daisy married William Cole in 1916 he died in 1918 and then Daisy married William Elliott her next door neighbour in Cross Lane Gravesend in 1919 with Albert and Ann Brooks being the witnesses. Joan Lear living with Daisy and William Elliott was the wife of Daisy's son Harry Ernest Lear, making her Daisy's daughter in law. Wow just about got there. Looking at the other findings, it looks like Daisy Richardson must be Daisy Richards, wonder why she never married Frederick Charles Lear even though they had 4 children together, or was her name not Richards by birth, was she married before. If they seperated in those days, would they class themselves as being single. Cant believe the findings our 2 children were both born in 8 Cross Lane and my friend being my daughters god father,he is going to be shocked that his grandmother lived in the same house.

Studying the info again saw it states when Daisy married her 2nd husband William Elliott her father was down as William Richardson so her name must be Richardson and not Richards.

william and daisy marriage cert 1916


https://goo.gl/YLBcNp

The name Richardson only comes into it after 1901.
Up to that point Daisy and all her family are Richards in all the censuses and births.

So it looks as if the family (or maybe just Daisy) decided to become Richardson at some point 1901-1904, when the first Lear / Richardson child was born.

Daisy, and her brother Harry are still Richards in 1901, and Lucy died as Richards in 1900.

This looks like Harry's death, still as Richards:

Harry Richards
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Harry Richards
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 171


EDIT:
In the same quarter of 1905, Daisy named her son Harry after him.

North West Kent Burials Transcription

First name(s) William Frederick
Last name Lear
Birth year 1907
Burial year 1949
Burial date 02 Mar 1949
Residence 93 Ingoldsby Rd.
Place Gravesend


1939 Register (Find My Past)

93 Ingoldsby Road , Gravesend M.B., Kent
William F Lear 10 Jan 1907 Male Mechanical India Rubber Married
Doris M Philpott (Mc Carthy,Lear) 17 May 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married

(there is a Baptism 1936 on below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Chris These were the parents of my friend and his sister Pamela. I see Doris have the names Philpott, Mc Carthy against her name, her maiden name was Plaw who I was trying to find in an earlier post Plaw/Claxton. it seems the whole family have not been straight forward to find, but thanks to you and many more have put me on the right track.