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This looks like Fanny Butcher living in Orsett with her paents in 1861


Fanny Butcher
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Fanny Butcher
County Essex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Orsett, Essex, England
Registration District Orsett
Residence Note Orsett Heath
Gender Female
Age 7
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Orsett, Essex
Page Number 17
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 1074 / 25
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Benjamin Butcher Head M 26 Maldon, Essex
Mary Butcher Wife F 27 Woodham, Essex
Fanny Butcher Daughter F 7 Orsett, Essex
Benjamin Butcher Son M 4 Orsett, Essex
Edward Butcher Son M 2 Orsett, Essex


and this looks like her working as a Servant in 1871


Fanny Butcher
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Fanny Butcher
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Gravesend, Milton, Kent, England
Enumeration District 2
Gender Female
Age 17
Marital Status Single
Occupation General Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Northfleet, Kent
Entry Number 6
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0890/0105
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Frederick W Smith Head M 31 Gravesend, Kent
Mary Ann Smith Wife F 28 Higham, Kent
Frederick Smith Son M 4 Gravesend, Kent
Mary A Smith Daughter F 2 Gravesend, Kent
Elizabeth Smith Daughter F 0 Gravesend, Kent
Fanny Butcher Servant F 17 Northfleet, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Link to marriage cert of James Thomas Claxton and Fanny Frances Butcher in 1874

http://tinyurl.com/z9ll2jd

Hopefully the link will work, it's the bottom image on the right hand side

Looks like James Thomas living with Grandparents is the son of James and Fanny. At some time Katie the daughter of James and Catherine came to alive in Gravesend possibly with grandparents because she got married to Harry W Plaw in Gravesend. I am so grateful for your help it has answered a lot of questions

Just seen the post of James Clayton and Catherine Clayton, living in Lambeth now that was before Katie and James were born in Lambeth, obviously they couldn't have been married just living together in 1881.

I think if you ordered the birth cert for James Thomas Claxton b1875 (maiden name Butchard), I think this would confirm James and Fanny as parents.

James Thomas Calxton was the first child

Edward Charles Claxton the second child

Just looking at all the above posts, here is a possibility, James Thomas Claxton came down from Norfolk , joined the Army in Kent, married Fanny Butcher in Gravesend in 1974, could have been stationed at the Barracks in Gravesend. James deserted in Feb 1976 by this time Fanny was having a baby, which was born in Orsett late 1976 who was baptised over in Tilbury in 1877, the father was named but not present because he was on the run. James eventually went to London and met Catherine, couldn't marry her straight away because he was still married to Fanny. Wow this could be the case

If this is the Catherine you mean I don't think she's connected to your Catherine.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Baptist Square, Llanwonno, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

William Williams Head Married Male 35 1846 Labourer Cornwall, England
Catherine Williams Wife Married Female 27 1854 - St Just, Cornwall, England
Sarah A Williams Daughter Single Female 7 1874 - Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Margaret Williams Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
William J Williams Son Single Male 1 1880 - Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
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And this is your Catherine in 1881 (mistranscibed as Clayton)

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34, Tyers Street, Lambeth, London, England

James Thomas Clayton Head Married Male 27 1854 Labourer Timber Yard Swaffham, Norfolk,
Catherine Clayton Wife Married Female 27 1854 - St Just, Cornwall,

Interesting that James' parents have a grandson, James Thomas Claxton, living with them in 1881- I think this is likely another son of James Thomas and his first wife Fanny.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
London Road, Strood, North Aylesford, Kent, England

James Parker Claxton Head Married Male 57 1824 Timekeeper Brancaster, Norfolk,
Mary Elizabeth Claxton Daughter Single Female 21 1860 - Swaffham, Norfolk,
John Parker Claxton Son Single Male 18 1863 Engineer Swaffham, Norfolk,
James Thomas Claxton Grand Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Gravesend, Kent,
Frederick John Baker Lodger Single Male 18 1863 Engine Turner Borstal, Kent,
Samuel Jukes Lodger Single Male 24 1857 Iron Moulder Frome, Somerset, England
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Note the maiden name- very close to Butcher:-

GRO ref:

CLAXTON, JAMES THOMAS (mother's maiden name: BUTCHARD )
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 410

Yes think you may be right, possibly Catherine was also married, as finding one being married to a William Williams and being born in St Just, know women do leave home and leave their children behind.

As I can't see Fanny or son Edward, I think it's likely.

There tended to be reason why couples didn't marry- especially with children on the way.

On the 1874 marriage he lists his father as James Thomas Claxton. Unfortunately I don't see an image of the marriage certificate to see addresses or father's occupation.

I think you would need the certificate to confirm as I note his father on the census is listed as James Parker Claxton. (1871 engine fitter) (1881 timekeeper)

Austin, now that's a coincidence because James Thomas Claxton lived at some time over in Grays Essex Orsett being the district. Perhaps he was married before, wasn't divorced so but himself down as being a batchelor in the marriage to Catherine Williams

Dea, that could possibly be a 2nd marriage for Harry William Plaw, because Katie Plaw died in 1920

There was a possible child to the 1874 marriage- but I don't see him on the census:

CLAXTON, EDWARD CHARLES (Mother's maiden name BUTCHER )
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in ORSETT Volume 04A Page 215

First name(s) Edward Charles
Last name Claxton
Birth year 1877
Birth date ? ? 1877
Baptism year 1877
Baptism date 12 Aug 1877
Place West Tilbury
County Essex
Mother's first name(s) Fanny
Father's first name(s) James Thomas
Source St.James West Tilbury 1813-1880 baptisms

I had found the desertion and dismissed him, never thought of the delay of a marriage. I had also wondered Austin about the marriage of James T Claxton to Fanny Butcher in 1874 but kind of dismissed it when I found Kate Claxton his daughter had Williams as her mother. Just thought James could have left Fanny and went to live in London with Catherine Williams. The mind boggles

Well, this looks like Harry William on 1939 and he is with a 'Blanche' :

1939:
Plaw Household (2 People) 7 Alfred Road , Gravesend M.B., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Harry W Plaw 17 May 1877 General Labourer
Blanche L Plaw 14 Feb 1866 Unpaid Domestic Duties

They married in 1924:

Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
Bell Blanche L Plaw Gravesend 2a 1517
Plaw Harry W Bell Gravesend 2a 1517

Dea x

I know I will have to get the marriage certificate of James T Claxton and Catherine Williams to find who the parents are of Catherine Williams. Apparently there are 2 St Justs in different areas of Cornwall.

Could this have something to do with the delayed marriage?

UK, Military Deserters, 1812-1927
James Claxton
Age: 22
Birth Year: Abt 1854
Birth Place: Swaffham, Norfolk
Desertion Date: 28 Feb 1876
Desertion Place: Maidstone
Publication Date: 10 Mar 1876
Regimental Number: 7348
Military Corps: West Kent

A tree on Ancestry has James previously married: I don't know how accurate it is

ame: James Thomas Claxton
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1853
Marriage Date: 19 Oct 1874
Marriage Place: Milton-Next-Gravesend, Kent, England
Father: James Thomas Claxton
Spouse: Fanny Frances Butcher
FHL Film Number: 992513
Reference ID: p 17

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34, Tyers Street, Lambeth, London, England

James Thomas Clayton Head Married Male 27 1854 Labourer Timber Yard Swaffham, Norfolk,
Catherine Clayton Wife Married Female 27 1854 - St Just, Cornwall,

Thank you Detective, I did wonder. Just that there were 2 Catherine Williams born 1883 St Just Cornwall and I found a Catherine Williams born St Just who married a William Williams and they had children so wondered if she could possibly left the family and went to live in London then married James T Claxton