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Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Tucker William C B Watts W.Ham 4a 663

William Henry wife, was Florence Daisy Watts ( my Grandmother)

I wondered about this for John and Elizabeth, though he would only have been 18, a bit young?

First name(s) John
Last name Tucker
Marriage year 1823
Marriage date 25 Dec 1823
Parish South Molton
Place South Molton
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Wise
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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It's not really TOO young though Kucinta and his death reg in 1889 does show his age as 87, therefore born c 1802, making him 21 ish.

Dea x

Not sure if this is John in 1871,

Trying to find out what he was an inmate of. Age is a bit older, but born c1802, more like his age at death, but he is described as a carpenter on the image.

Name: John Tucker
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: South Molton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: South Molton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: South Molton
Sub-registration district: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 2180
Folio: 69
Page Number: 30

EDIT: Scrolling back a few pages, it looks like it's the Workhouse.

That 1823 marriage might still be right, as John the carpenter and Elizabeth had other children baptised South Molton:

First name(s) John
Last name Tucker
Birth year 1826
Birth date 02 Oct 1826
Baptism year 1826
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Carpenter
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence -
County Devon
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First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Tucker
Birth year 1829
Birth date 16 Feb 1829
Baptism year 1829
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Carpenter
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence -
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptism

First name(s) George
Last name Tucker
Birth year 1831
Birth date 06 May 1831
Baptism year 1831
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Carpenter
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence -
County Devon
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Edward as previously in 1833, then

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Tucker
Birth year -
Baptism year 1836
Baptism date 20 Jan 1836
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 3331A/PR/1/6
Record set Devon Baptisms
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Father a carpenter on image.

First name(s) Hannah
Last name Tucker
Birth year 1838
Birth date 13 Apr 1838
Baptism year 1838
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Carpenter
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence -
County Devon
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Some of these children were not with the family in 1851, did they die, get farmed out to other relatives when John was widowed, were old enough to go out to work?

Just to say below couple are at same address as 1939 posted earlier, 74, Hazelwood Road, with Florence D. and William C. 1964 on below)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)


Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
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Staines Herbert S Watts W.Ham 4a 574
Watts Lilly M Staines W.Ham 4a 574

Chris :)

(1965 same address, Herbert, Lily, Florence D.)

Did the family boomerang a bit between Devon & Bristol?

This family on the 1841 census say they were born in county, but were they fibbing? The older boys, John jr, EDWARD, and George are missing, and there is another child, Grace, but head of household John is described as a carpenter. The other [daughters] girls tally with South Molton baptisms for children of John Tucker, carpenter, and wife Elizabeth that I've already posted.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Orchard Square, St Mary Redcliff, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

John Tucker Male 35 1806 Somerset, England - carpenter
Elizabh Tucker Female 33 1808 Somerset, England
Mary Tucker Female 12 1829 Somerset, England
Eizabh Tucker Female 5 1836 Somerset, England
Hannah Tucker Female 3 1838 Somerset, England
Grace Tucker Female 1 1840 Somerset, England

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First name(s) GRACE
Last name TUCKER
Birth year 1840
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District SOUTH MOLTON<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Devon
Country England
Volume 10
Page 175
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

This might be the 3 missing Tucker boys in 1841, also in St Mary Redcliff, Bristol like their parents and sisters in the census I posted above.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tenis Court, St Mary Redcliff, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

George Hobbs Male 63 1778
Jane Hobbs Female 32 1809
George Cambean Male 25 1816
James Lockyear Male 30 1811
John Windsor Male 27 1814
John Vilet Male 25 1816 -
John Carpenter Male 24 1817
Richd Carpenter Male 22 1819
John Tucker Male 14 1827<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Tucker Male 10 1831<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Edwin Tucker Male 7 1834<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Though written Edwin on the census image, I suspect it is probably Edward.

No one in the household is born in county (Somerset), so it could well be the 3 Tucker boys from South Molton.

You lot have been very busy while I was off cooking lunch............ ;-)

I really think you have them there Kucinta, although it is very confusing !!

Dea x

Yes, it is a bit!

I think at the time of the 1841 census, people were still a bit nervous of the previous old settlement laws , and didn't always want to admit they'd been born elsewhere, in case they got shipped back there!

I think it does tie the South Molton baptisms in with the family having moved to Bristol c1840/1, if Grace's birth in South Molton is right.

Not sure why they'd palmed the boys off elsewhere, but ages and names do seem to tie up with the South Molton baptisms apart from Edward's transformation to Edwin.

Edward and Edwin were very often interchangeable so I don't see a problem there.

Dea x

Just to confirm, the Grace born 1840 in the south Molton district was the daur of a John and Elizabeth:

First name(s) Grace
Last name Tucker
Birth year -
Baptism year 1840
Baptism date 09 Sep 1840
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Elizth
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 3331A/PR/1/7
Record set Devon Baptisms
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Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Image says father was a carpenter.

So it looks like the move to Bristol was only a few months before the 1841 census took place.

I can't identify a baptism for John Tucker c1802 in South Molton.

I note the witnesss at his marriage to Elizabeth Wise in 1823 were Amos and Hannah Selley.

I think Hannah was a relative, maybe a sister? of John Tucker as this seems likely to be the marriage of those two witnesses:

First name(s) Hannah<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Last name Tucker<<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage year 1822
Marriage date 03 Nov 1822
Parish South Molton
Place South Molton
Spouse's first name(s) Amos<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's last name Selley<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
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The witnesses at this wedding were John Tucker and someone more illegible, maybe Mary Tuckere, but the surname is open to interpretation.

Selley could be just as easily read as Jelley on both registers.

Also John did name one of his daughters Hannah.

There is a Hannah Tucker born South Molton who may be the bride of Amos Selley and witness to John and Elizabeth's wedding, but we can't be sure if she were his sister, or perhaps a cousin or somesuch. So her parents William and Mary may or may not be John's parents.

Quite a lot of maybes! :-(

First name(s) Hannah
Last name Tucker
Birth year -
Baptism year 1799
Baptism date 17 Mar 1799
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place South Molton
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 3331A/PR/1/4
Record set Devon Baptisms

EDIT, I can only find a John Tucker baptised at South Molton on Familysearch,


John Tucker
England Births and Christenings
Name John Tucker
Gender Male
Christening Date 06 Jan 1805
Christening Place SOUTH MOLTON,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Tucker
Mother's Name Mary

Parents are named William and Mary.

Maybe he's been mistranscribed in the Devon baptisms...

EDIT NO, I just missed him. I was probably looking for c1802. No indication as to whether this John baptised 1805 was an infant or a wee bit older.

Thank you all so far for this research, its certainly given me a lot to think about and tie up loose ends. Its sad to think that my g.g.g.grandfather ended up in the workhouse, I wonder if he died there. If you died in a workhouse would you be given a paupers grave, so hence no records? but on saying that why the memoriam card. Although it does read the hour of trouble has past, the of afflication is o er his trouble is ended at last and sorrow and death are no more. Its a sort of sad tribute that could be given to all those poor souls that left this earth from the workhouse.
On another matter is Caroline who married Edward, Caroline Quantock? or Caroline of Quantock.

Why my great grandparents moved from Bristol to London still remains a mystery though, as there were certainly from what I can see no ties to London.

He was in the workhouse in 1871, so maybe it was a temporary setback? Can't positively identify him in the 1881 census, so maybe he turned things around.

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
BRASSTED Frederick Bermondsey 1d 100
CHAPMAN Sarah Ann Bermondsey 1d 100
Quantock Caroline Bermondsey 1d 100
TUCKER Edward Bermondsey 1d 100

Sticking in possible marriage for William and Mary, in case you are able to tie them more strongly to John later.

First name(s) William
Last name Tucker
Marriage year 1798
Marriage date 29 Aug 1798
Parish South Molton
Place South Molton
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Vicary
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
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If it's them, looks like daughter Hannah was probably on the way!!!

Slightly more detail on the Tucker-Quantock marriage

Name: Caroline Quantock
Spouse: Edward Tucker - porter
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jul 1855
Parish: St Paul, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Quantock - porter
Spouse Father: John Tucker - carpenter
Register Type: Parish Register