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newspaper link will be useful - many thanks....my dear old dad will love all this :-)

(lol, AG, as you know, I'm no better with things Scottish!)

Chris :)

To join Chris in muddying the waters re that Williams / Williams marriage:


Catherine Williams
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Catherine Williams
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Nov 1824
Christening Place HEN CHAPEL CONGREGATIONAL OR INDEPENDENT,DOLGELLY,MERIONETH,WALES
Father's Name David Williams
Mother's Name Jane

John & Catherine also had children named David and Jane!


EDIT: but the father of the Catherine Williams in that 1845 marriage was William.

There is also below, his occ. Mariner, no idea of Welsh places or Parishes here!, so apologies!, too many of that name!.

(Find My Past carry 'Caernarvonshire Marriages', also Baptisms and Burials, you can then view images of Parish Registers)

They have below. (his Father, Robert. occ. Carpenter, Her Father, William occ. Labourer)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
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WILLIAMS Catherine Bangor 27 471
WILLIAMS John Bangor &c 27 471


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(and above carries some Parishes also, free to view)


http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(above usually brings snippets, sometimes helped by addresses on Census, or Certs.)

I think 1st one can be riuled out due to location....more likely to be one of the latter 2

absolute possibility - yes...consider it noted :-)

If that's her, perhaps, that would reduce the possible marriages to three between 1841 and 1851 (as far as I can see).

I don't see any John Williams / Catherine [?] marriages in Dolgelly.


Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers
Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Dec 1847
Event Place Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Catherine Owen


Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers
Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 03 Jul 1847
Event Place Beddgelert, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Catherine Owens



Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers
Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 28 Jan 1843
Event Place Llanddeiniolen, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Catharine Owen

A possibility for Catherine's christening?
We know she was born in Dolgelly c 1825, and she had children named Evan and Grace.


Catherine Owen
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Catherine Owen
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Feb 1825
Christening Place HEN CHAPEL CONGREGATIONAL OR INDEPENDENT,DOLGELLY,MERIONETH,WALES
Father's Name Evan Owen
Mother's Name Gras

Lynn - sorry, not directing that question to you specifically - a rhetorical question really. I would imagine that the elder John died and the next son born after that was named for him - still too many John Williams born/died to pinpoint!

i don't know.....I only had info back to 1890....pretty unusual to call 2 sons by the same name???unless he died

If correct family through all census, which it looks to be, was there an older John b
c 1850 (on 1851/61 census) before John b 1868 who appears on the 1871 census.

captain of a tug boat......wasn't expecting that :-) :-) :-)

Just tried looking for marriage for John Williams and Catherine around 1848-50. There are loads of possibles just in Bangor. I think you will need a birth cert of a child to find Catherines maiden name.

Andy

1851 from fmp. Andrew got his from ancestry.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Infant Lane, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male 28 1823 Mariner Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
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Catherine Williams Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
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John Williams Son - Male 1 1850 Infant Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Yes Ancestry for my mine.

Andy

Hardly any of the helpers look for records on GR, Lynn.

We mostly use Ancestry (where I think Andrew found those), or FindMyPast or FamilySearch

Andrew sorry !! :-) toooo many johns

very helpful thank you...did you find that info on this site John?

and 1851

Name: John Williams
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Williams
Mother's name: Catherine Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bangor
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
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Town: Bangor
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bangor
Sub-registration district: Bangor
ED, institution, or vessel: 1l
Piece: 2518
Folio: 238
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 28 Mariner
Catherine Williams 26
John Williams 1

Andy

The 1891 you mention - John born Portmadoc

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Manners Street, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male 25 1866 Moulding Machine Man Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary E Williams Wife Married Female 22 1869 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William O Williams Son - Male 0 1891 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Mary Naylor Mother In Law Widow Female 49 1842 Dressmaker Sefton, Lancashire, England