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Not sure why Malyon has posted those births - but their father was the son of Benjamin Malyon, leather shaver:

Harry James Malyon
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Harry James Malyon
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1901
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1929
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Camberwell: Old Kent Road, Southwark
Father: Benjamin Malyon
Spouse: Alice Pring



MALYON, HARRY JAMES mmn COPPS
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1001


His parents' 1884 marriage, and 1891 census for them, were posted on page 1 of this thread , by MargaretM - on 29 Oct 2016 at 22:33 .


Malyon says that Annie Copps (Harry James's mother) was her gr-grandmother.

Why have you added three comparatively recent births without any explanation?

Is there a point?

Looking back through this old thread, and the 1871 census posted by MargaretM -

you said,
"I am not sure myself but Richard malyon was born 1853 before john and maria got togeather I do not know the mother's name for Richard was trying to find a marriage for john there was also a son john malyon born 1951."

If the 1861 marriage of John Malyon and Maria Hopkins(nee Saunders) is the correct one, then these are Richard and John's births:

MALYON, JOHN mmn SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 04 Page 29

MALYON, RICHARD mmn SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 98


John and Maria must have been together from at least 1850, living as if married, but not actually married until 1861.

1861 -

Richard Malyon
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Richard Malyon
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Malyon
Mother's Name: Maria M Malyon
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Bermondsey St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 321
Folio: 66
Page number: 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Malyon 36 Head
Maria M Malyon 32 Wife
John Malyon 9 Son
Richard Malyon 7 Son
Annie Malyon 5 Daughter
Eliza Malyon 3 Daughter
William Malyon 1 Son


MALYON, ELIZA RICHARDSON mmn SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN, BERMONDSEY, SURREY Volume 01D Page 106

MALYON, BENJAMIN JAMES mm SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 70

MALYON, WILLIAM JOSEPH mmn SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 116


I haven't found John and Maria in 1851 - so far.


The 1871 census says that John & Maria's daughter Annie L was born in Newcastle

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MALYON, ANNA SUSAN LUCY mmn SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 22


Ann Susan L Malyon
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Susan L Malyon
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 885
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Arthur Imms
Ann Susan L Malyon


Second marriage:

Ann Susan Imms
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Ann Susan Imms, widow [Ann Susan Malyon]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1855
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1890
Marriage Place: St Paul, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father: John Malyon <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< leather dresser
Spouse: George John Edwards
Register Type: Parish Register

She's with her husband in London in 1891 and 1901

Not sure why you have added to your old thread

Are you still looking for info ?

Births Jun 1932 (>99%)
Malyon Ruth A Pring Deptford 1d 1149 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1934 (>99%)
Malyon Ronald A Pring Deptford 1d 955 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1940 (>99%)
Malyon Edward F B Pring Sheppey 2a 2907

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1349948

(relates perhaps, for reference)

Chris :)

I am not sure myself but Richard malyon was born 1853 before john and maria got togeather I do not know the mother's name for Richard was trying to find a marriage for john there was also a son john malyon born 1951

Goodness, you've got a confusing tree, malyon!

This seems to be the marriage of John Malyon to Maria Hopkins who is a widow:
John Malyon

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Record Image View

Name: John Malyon
Spouse: Maria Hopkins
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Nov 1861
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Malyon
Spouse Father: Richard Saunders
Register Type: Parish Register

But then on the 1871 census she has a 17 year old son Richard Malyon:

Benjamin Malyon

in the 1871 England Census
Record Image View

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Name: Benjamin Malyon
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Malyon
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Kent Rd, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 254
Piece: 638
Folio: 24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Malyon 42, wife, leather shaver's wife
Thomas Hopkins 20, son by former husband
Richard Malyon 17, son
William Malyon 11, son
Benjamin Malyon 8, son
Albert Ed Malyon 7, son
Eliza Malyon 11, dau
Laura D Hopkins 21, dau-in-law, amrried
James R Hopkins 22, son by former husband, married
Annie L Hopkins 16, dau by former husband
Anne M Hopkins 9, grandau

So how could she have a 17 year old son by present husband and a 16 year old daughter by former husband?

sorry yes half brothers Benjamin malyon born 1861 their mother was maria her second marriage was to john malyon not sure if the Benjamin malyon who was witness to the marriage of matilda and Christopher was the father or his son as both called Benjamin

Which Benjamin Malyon was the step brother of Richard James Hopkins?

Incidentally if they had the same mother they would be half brothers not step brothers.

the Richard james Hopkins metioned above was the step brother of Benjamin malyon they had the same mother maria


my granddad Benjamin only told me there was 4 children I never knew about any more

This is Tilly's 1st marriage- note the names of witnesses:

Name: Matilda Elizabeth Bone
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Age: 21
Spouse: Christopher John Hopkins
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Nov 1917
Parish: Christ Church, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Henry Bone
Spouse Father: Richard James Hopkins
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses were Thomas Henry Bone, Emily L Bone and Benjamin Malyon

Why did you say Benjamin and Annie only had 4 children, they had more...

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(can also see on above)

(quote)

malyon Report 30 Oct 2016 12:43

that's not my annie she married Benjamin malyon and only had 4 children she split up with him and lived with another man she changed her name my aunt said was not sure if it was bone

Chris :)

(apologies, just seen Margaret has added, I gave short versions earlier, have you been buying Certs. for family?)

Malyon- I think you're getting confused.

Annie L Malyon (Westover) didn't call herself Tilly Hopkins.

Tilly was a different person- Tilly was Matilda Elizabeth Bone (she's on the 1911 census with Annie).

She was born in 1896 and married Christopher J Hopkins.

Tilly is often a shortened version of Matilda.
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This is Tilly in 1939:

Hopkins Household 40 Leo Street , Camberwell, London, England
Christopher J Hopkins 25 Dec 1885 Male A Heavy Worker Married
Matilda E Coldwell (Hopkins) 29 Nov (March on image) 1896 Hospital Cleaner Married
William W Livermore 16 Mar 1856 Male Patman & Barman Single
possibly 3 closed records
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Tilly married Edward Caldwell in 1945 and died in 1993 Lewisham.

Actually some of the children on the 1911 census that have the surname Bone were baptised as children of Benjamin & Annie Malyon.

View Record Annie Louisa Malyon 31 Mar 1890 Camberwell St Mark Southwark Benjamin Malyon & Annie Malyon Born 6 March 1890

View Record Benjamin Edwin Malyon 31 Mar 1890 Camberwell St Mark Southwark Benjamin Malyon & Annie Malyon Born 29 Aug. 1885

View Record George Benjamin Malyon 31 Mar 1890 Camberwell St Mark Southwark Benjamin Malyon & Annie Malyon Born 23 Oct. 1887

View Record John William Malyon 11 Jul 1897 Camberwell St Mark Southwark Benjamin James Malyon & Annie Malyon Born 19 March 1892

View Record Harry James Malyon 18 Sep 1901 Deptford St Luke Lewisham Benjamin James Malyon & Annie Malyon Born 4 Sept. 1901

View Record Frederick Francis Malyon 11 Jun 1905 Deptford St Luke Lewisham Benjamine Malyon & Annie Malyon Born 29 ??? 1905

looking at the 1911 census posted by austinQ I now belive that is annie malyon as she is with my granddad Benjamin and her other son john and annie her daughter married to westover but will never know why annie westover called herself tilly Hopkins
very strange

What about that 1911 marriage though ????

Burial Register summary

Malyon first names Annie
Burial date 24 November 1961
Location Kent

(who is that?)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(also Westover surname there)


Edits (just to add, Baptism entry for Annie Louisa Malyon (London, Ancestry) gives Birthdate 6/3/1890)

(also 1890) Benjamin Edwin, George Benjamin.

1897 John William Malyon

1901 Harry James Malyon

1905 Frederick Francis Malyon


Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
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LEWIS Alice Maud Greenwich 1d 1629
MALYON George Benjamin Greenwich 1d 1629

(Annie Louisa Malyon as Witness on above)


Marriages Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Malyon Eliza Catherina St. Saviour 1d 21
Watts George St. Saviour 1d 21

(above couple, 1911 with George, possibly Annie Malyon, Witness on above)

Chris :)

All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(worth looking on above also)


Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
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Nutter Charles F Westover Deptford 1d 997
Westover May E Nutter Deptford 1d 997

(above couple also in household, 1939)

that's not my annie she married Benjamin malyon and only had 4 children she split up with him and lived with another man she changed her name my aunt said was not sure if it was bone

On the 1911 census the childrens' surnames are all Bone but actually some of them are Malyons. Also Annie says that they have been married 24 years and had 8 children all still living.