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Thanks Dea. just found it. Was wondering if Derek E born to Gertrude Taylor could be the Derek we are looking for but as his parents remained living and further siblings were born.....probably unlikely. Just trying to get as many facts as possible before ordering the birth certificate for Ronald Gore MMN Gore in 1931 Winchcombe.

Births Dec 1932 (>99%)
Gore Derek E Taylor Winchcomb 6a 533 Scan available - click to view
Gore John E Taylor Bristol 6a 159 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1934 (>99%)
Gore Trevor S Taylor Winchcomb 6a 542 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1934 (>99%)
Gore Janet E Taylor Bristol 6a 52 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1938 (>99%)
Gore Terence F Taylor Cheltenham 6a 550 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1939 (>99%)
Gore Brian F Taylor Cheltenham 6a 731 Scan available - click to view


Dea x

Marriages Jun 1932 (>99%)
Gore Leslie E Taylor Winchcomb 6a 827 Scan available - click to view
Taylor Gertrude Gore Winchcomb 6a 827 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

can anyone find a marriage or death for the following:-

Terence F Gore 1938 born in Cheltenham to Gertrude Taylor and Leslie Ernest Gore
Brian F Gore 1939 to same parents.

I'm looking at the census data for the Gore's in Gretton, Winchcombe. The heads of the different households are mainly born in Newbury Berkshire. Considering how much land is occupied by the Gore families in Winchcombe, does anybody think that they might have been travellers.

Harry George Gore in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1988
Name: Harry George Gore
Birth Year: abt 1874
Death Year: abt 1943
Death Age: 69
Burial Date: 23 Jul 1943
Parish: Gretton, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Winchcombe Christ Church Gretton
Register Type: Parish Registers
(Died General Hospital Cheltenham)

Mother Emily died in 1911

Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
Gore Emily 63 Winchcomb 6a 296

I think this is father John's death registration.....Transcribed as Gough

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
GOUGH John 67 Winchcomb 6a 482

Harry G Gore on the 1939 Register

Gore Household (3 People) Old Tower Cottage , Cheltenham R.D., Gloucestershire, England

Harry G Gore 13 May 1874 Male C C Roadman Labourer Retired Married
Alice M Gore 17 Jan 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Vera P Smith (Gore) 15 Jun 1910 Female Domestic Help Single

Ernest (Jacob) was another brother to Arthur John and Henry George.

Dea x

On the 1939 register......Queenie's father is Arthur J Gore born 4th April 1872

Arthur John Gore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Arthur John Gore
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Newbury
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 244

Looking at the 1881 and 1891 census records.........Henry George Gore aka Harry George Gore (born 1874 Newbury, Berkshire) and Alfred John Gore are brothers.

Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
Gore Henry George Newbury 2c 222

Parents marriage.......

Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
CURRELL Emily Mary Newbury 2c 325
GORE John Newbury 2c 325

There is a Susan Gore here, married to Ernest :

Gore Household (3 People) Gretton Fields Gretton Fields , Cheltenham R.D., Gloucestershire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Susan Gore 25 Dec 1886 General Farm Hand Assisting Husband On Farm Unpaid Domestic Duties
Ernest Gore 25 Nov 1882 Bricklayer & Farmer
Gilbert F Gore 16 Jul 1917 Carpenter
1 closed record here............


Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
Gore Ernest Winchcomb 6a 909 Scan available - click to view
Greening Susan Winchcomb 6a 909 Scan available - click to view


Dea x

For info.......

Harry George Gore in the Gloucestershire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1974
Name: Harry George Gore
Year: 1918
Country: England
County: Gloucestershire
Parliamentary Divison: Cirencester and Tewkesbury
Place of Abode: Gretton

With......

Alice Maud Gore
Susan Gore
Ernest Gor
Florence Gore
Alfred Gore

On the 1938 ER.......the family are living next door to.....

Queenie Gore
Rupert Eric Gore
Vera Phyllis Gore
Yvonne Gore
Res: 1 Gretton Hill

Harry George Gore married Alice Maud Tysoe in 1906 Winchcomb

Here they are on the 1911 census.......

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gretton Winchcomb Gloucestershire, Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England

Harry Gore Head Married Male Labourer On Road 36 1875 Newbury Berkshire
Alice Gore Wife Married Female - 27 1884 Warwick Stratford on Avon
Albert Gore Son - Male School 4 1907 Gretton Glos
Esmie Gore Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Gretton Glos
Vera Gore Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Gretton Glos

Married 5 years........3 children born and living.

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Gore Albert Harold Winchcomb 6a 421

Births Jun 1908 (>99%)
Gore Esmie Rita M Winchcomb 6a 411

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
GORE Vera P M Winchcomb 6a 385

Gore/Tysoe births registered after 1911

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Gore Alfred G Tysoe Winchcomb 6a 760

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Gore Kenneth P Tysoe Winchcomb 6a 699

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
GORE Florence M Tysoe Winchcomb 6a 543

Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Gore Leonard L Tysoe Winchcomb 6a 810

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Gore Kathleen A Tysoe Winchcomb 6a 654

I'm not seeing a birth registered for Susan.

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Deaths Jun 1931 (>99%)
Gore Albert H 25 Cheltenham 6a 497

Marriages Mar 1929 (>99%)
Clarke Thomas Gore Winchcomb 6a 626
Gore Esmie R M Clarke Winchcomb 6a 626

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Esmie Rita M Clarke
Birth Date 23 Mar 1908
Date of Registration Aug 1989
Age at Death 81
Registration district Cheltenham
Inferred County Gloucestershire
Volume 22
Page 1354

Marriages Sep 1941 (>99%)
Gore Vera P Smith Evesham 6c 721
Smith George H Gore Evesham 6c 721

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Vera Phyllis Smith
Birth Date 15 Jun 1910
Date of Registration Oct 1984
Age at Death 74
Registration district Evesham
Inferred County Gloucestershire, Worcestershire
Volume 29
Page 201

Marriages Mar 1937 (>99%)
Cashmore Dora Gore Winchcomb 6a 927
Gore Alfred G Cashmore Winchcomb 6a 927

Deaths Mar 1952 (>99%)
GORE Alfred G 38 Cheltenham 7b 331

Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Gore Kenneth P Wood Cheltenham 6a 1039
Wood Phyllis D Gore Cheltenham 6a 1039

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Kenneth Percy Gore
Birth Date 15 May 1915
Date of Registration Feb 1997
Age at Death 81
Registration district Cheltenham
Inferred County Gloucestershire
Register Number C52D
District and Subdistrict 4791C
Entry Number 57

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name Florence M Gore
Date of Registration 1960 - Jan-Feb-Mar[1960]
Registration district Cheltenham
Inferred County Gloucestershire
Spouse William D Groom
Volume Number 7b
Page number 681


Marriages Dec 1945 (>99%)
Gore Leonard L Lovegrove Hendon 3a 1682
Lovegrove Patricia L Gore Hendon 3a 1682

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Leonard Leon Gore
Birth Date 12 May 1921
Date of Registration Jul 1999
Age at Death 78
Registration district Barnet
Inferred County Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Register Number D1E
District and Subdistrict 2191D
Entry Number 163

Marriages Jun 1943 (>99%)
Gardner James C Gore Cheltenham 6a 1028
Gore Kathleen [A_] Gardner Cheltenham 6a 1028

Just left with Susan Gore and Alice Maud on the 1938 ER. Who are they born to or married to ?

This is Yvonne!!!


Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Gore Elvina E M Knight Winchcomb 6a 537

See the other thread I posted !!

Dea

AustinQ
We checked on 192.com and Joan E E Gore is now living at 36 Green Meadows Caravan Park, Bamfurlong, Cheltenham.

Hi guys......my mum Maureen told us that she only knew her husband as Derek.....she was surprised to see him as John Derek when I showed her the copy of wedding certificate and she asked who on earth was Ronald Gore listed as father.....adamant that no father was around. She said he was an only child and had never met anyone other than Derek and his mother....Queenie. Could it be possible that he was called Ronald John Derek and his father was Ronald Gore....even though he wasn't around.
Also, I can't track an Yvonne Evelyn Gore as Queenie's sister.

Yes, Kay- Daphne B J Gore, born 1920 was a sibling of Queenie, but the Daphne B Gore that I mentioned was born in 1950. Given the information supplied in another thread, I wondered if it could be a daughter of Queenie.

The details I spotted in the paper gave the name Yvonne Evelyn Gore as the sister she had the Post office book from. Can you give details of the newspaper where is mentions a Daphne Evelyn as sister?

This is Daphne B J Gore who was born in 1920 Winchcombe with mothers maiden name Knight.


FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) ROLE DOB OCCUPATION
Daphne B J Hawkins (Gore) S 04 Apr 1920 Chambermaid-Waitress

she married Alfred J Hawkins in 1940.in Cheltenham.

Daphany E E Gore born Bridgewater 1926..mothers maiden name West.
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In the newspaper

Queenie Gore stole from the post office book of her*** sister***,

Daphane Evelyn,
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1905, Daphne Mary S Gore born Thornbury Glos.

so there is 3 of them..........!!

Wow, what a tangled web, and I can see you've already put a lot of time into research, I hope you get results. It would be great if Joan can at least supply a date of birth.

For what it's worth, John/Derek and Joan were living together before their marriage in 1975.

Electoral Register
1972
3 Unwin Road, Cheltenham, Gloucester
John D Gore
Joan E Gore

How did Ronald change his name to John Derek........or Derek as in the 1950 newspaper report...

at the time of his time in the army National Service was still in force..if he got called up then the army had his details..

Many thanks guys.....another bicycle.
AustinQ....We have made contact by letter to Joan E Gore and a family member of another Gore family whom may be connected to us, is knocking on her door for a chat...hopefully this weekend. If Joan is the correct person, John Derek Gore died 3 years ago but I can't check past 2013.
We did wonder if Maureen divorced Derek....she says yes. Her next husband was Franklin Clayton Holt who was American. I have found the divorce papers in Florida but they married in Germany which has been a nightmare to find anything.
The man who is visiting Joan is also called John Derek Gore and he thinks his father Arthur John Gore is our John Derek Gore's cousin......speak to you soon.