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Welcome to the boards, Annette.

It's unlikely that Albert will be looking here for replies after so long.

You can try contacting him by clicking on his name at the top of one of his posts, and sending him a private message.
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Hi I dont know if you are still on here, although i have no info on your family search, i am very local, my grandma married at Felkirk, i was born and bred Ryhill, i had relatives way back who lived at Haw Park.

hmmmmmmmm .............

I'm a Lancashire lass, from close to Manchester, but I spent 5 years in Liverpool, and married a man from Chester. We left the UK in 1967 :-D


Glad we could help you, Al

Hi Dea
Ok and thanks for all your input I think that's it on Frederick so will now close it.
I am from Wallasey originally and left for Canada in 1965, been back twice and coming over next year for a final visit

AL Etherington--------------Canada

You are welcome Al, - there are many sites which don't let you copy and paste, unfortunately, but It didnt take too long to type ;-)

Dea x

P.S. - In answer to your question - No I don't live anywhere near Yorkshire., I am quite a bit further down the Country.

Dea x

Hi Dea
I did not mean for you to do all that, but many thanks any way, all I wanted was the bit about Frederick, and thought you could cut and past it, but as usual I was wrong.
I can't thank you enough for all that work you did on it, do you live in the Barnsley area?

AL Etherington------------Canada

THE ELECTION OF WORKHOUSE PORTER
The next business was the election of a WorkhousePorter in the stead of the late officer
There were ten applicants of whom five were present. The following were the applicants:
Frederick Etherington, Ryhill, 27 years of age, single; testimonials from Mr. J. Hall,
Mr. J.M. Sykes and Mr. J Robinson. Edward Green, Barugh, 26 years of age, had a testimonial
from Messrs. Canter, Whalley, and Co., and Mr. George Ward, seedsman of Barnsley
William Jenkinson, Worsbro' Bridge, single, 28 years of age, had testimonial from
Mr. R.R. Maddison. Thomas Linton, Woolley Farm, Silkstone, was not present but sent in
testimonials from Mr. R Southern, Mr. W. Horsfall, and Mr. Lowen. John Crow,
Barnsley, 34 years of age, single, no testimonials. Joshua Franshaw, single, 24 years of age,
the son of a farmer residing at Hindringham, had testimonials from the Rev J.M.D. Owen,
vicar of Hindringham, and Mr Langford of the same place. Smith Machen, Roystone,
no testimonials. Robert Ledger, Burleigh Street, Barnsley, no testimonials,
but being a singer, could teach the children to sing in chapel. George Broomhead, Barnsley,
no testimonials. Thomas Batty, Monk-Bretton, no testimonials.
The candidates Etheington, Green, Jenkinson, Crow and Franshaw, were present, and answered
such questions as were put to them by the guardians. The votes for three of he candidates were
taken, when Frederick Etherington of Ryhill was elected.
The guardians shortly afterwards adjourned.

Dea x

03 September 1870 - Barnsley Chronicle, etc. - Barnsley, South

Hang on while I type it all out !....................

Dea x

Hi Again Dea
Very interesting article on the workhouse and how it was run, and yes the job of porter was important from the reading, now you also said that you read an artical in the Barnsley Chronical of 3rd of Sept 1870 about Frederick being elected to the post, I tried to find that Paper to read about him, but had no luck any chance you could send me any thing on that please, that's if you can, thanks

AL Etherington--------------Canada

Hi Dea
Thanks for all that, I will take a look at that site you sent, I was wondering also how he was a court officer one minute then a porter the next sounds like you said intriguing, I will read all about it when i get back from an appointment I have,again many thanks.

AL Etherington--------------Canada

Hi Chris Ho
Thanks for all that information on Frederick Etherington, it now firms up what I had on him and his father John Etherington, and of course Frederick was not on that that 1841 census? as he was not born till Nov 1841 which has now been confirmed, so again many thanks

AL Etherington----------------Canada

It might interest you to know that the Institution where Frederick was working in 1871 was the Barnsley Union Workhouse.

I was intrigued as to how a 'humble porter' (who was someone I think of as 'fetching and carrying') should have become only one year later a County Court Officer so I looked further and found a mention in the Barnsley Chronicle, 3rd Sept., 1870 of him being 'elected' to the post .......

It would seem that the position of Porter at the Workhouse was a role of some importance, details of which can be seen below:

OOOps - I was hoping to copy and paste the details but the site won't let me :-(
However, you can read them for yourself here:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/admin/index.shtml

The info re 'Porter' is about 3/4 way down the page.

Dea x

(reference to Parents)

Chris :)

Yorkshire, bishop's transcripts of marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John (occ. Sawyer)
Last name Etherington
Residence Wragby
Marriage year 1825
Marriage date 24 Nov 1825
Marriage place Royston
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Rogerson
Spouse's residence Roystone
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 90
(wits, Mary Etherington, George Rollinson, Joseph Shaw)


1841 (Find My Past)
John Etherington Male 40 1801 Yorkshire, England (ag. Lab)
Elizabeth Etherington Female 35 1806 Yorkshire, England
Thomas Etherington Male 10 1831 Yorkshire, England
William Etherington Male 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
Mary Ann Etherington Female 6 1835 Yorkshire, England
Alles Etherington Female 4 1837 Yorkshire, England
Joseph Etherington Male 2 1839 Yorkshire, England
Street Haw Park Lane
Parish or township Sandal, Magna
Town Walton
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration district Wakefield
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1270
Book number 4
Folio number 6
Page number 6

Albert ................

I wasn't suggesting that one of the two Fredericks with registrations in 1842 was yours ................ I had seen the baptism and knew it couldn't be.

I was showing how the family tree referred to by Malyon might have got it wrong!



Mind you .................. it would not be unknown for someone to be born in the "wrong" place, because the mother was away from home



Nor would it be unknown for a child to be registered months or even years later than actual date of birth!

Hi Sylvia and Maylon
I think I had 1842 in my tree but since doing this research last month, I have now changed it to Born Nov 1st 1841 & Bapt: Dec 19 1841, which is what is on the bapt: certificate and makes sense, so no birth certificate but I think these dates are the most accurate, so i will close this query, and many thanks to you all

AL Etherington-----------------Canada

Malyon, the tree on Familysearch may have taken his year of birth as calculated from his age given on census records. If he was born November 1841, he would show as 9 years old on the 1851 census as he would not yet have had his tenth birthday.

Al ...........

just one thing re his birth date ................

I think if the Vicar noted day and month in the Parish Register but without a year, then it can be assumed that the child was born in the year that s/he was baptized ........

so the assumption here would be that he was born 1 Nov 1841

Malyon .....


that tree is probably a result of inefficient research (for want of a ruder word!) ...........

There are two Frederick Etheringtons with births registered in 1842, one in London and one in Sussex

Assumption made!!

The image of the 1841 baptism is online on Ancestry

tree on family search says Frederick born 1842 so the one you mention could not have been baptised in 1841