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Hi, I'm struggling to get more information on the Irish side of the family.

Ellen Caplice born 1899 ish in Ireland was married to Richard Ryan and lived in Tipperary and they had lots of children, Patrick, Esther, Norah, Peggy etc...

But I'm trying to find Ellen's parents but struggling to get further back with her. I've got information for her children but not Ellen's ancestors. Help!

Thanks :)

is this her birth reg
Ellen Caplice

in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
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Name: Ellen Caplice
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1899
Registration district: Clogheen
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 471
FHL Film Number: 101067

View Record John Caplice Oct-Nov-Dec 1902 Clogheen
View Record John Caplice Jul-Aug-Sep 1905 Clogheen
View Record Michael Caplice Jan-Feb-Mar 1903 Clogheen
View Record Alice Caplice Apr-May-Jun 1904 Clogheen
View Record Patrick Caplice Apr-May-Jun 1905 Clogheen
View Record Mary Caplice Apr-May-Jun 1907 Clogheen
siblings

Omg I found more information hooray!!

Ellen Caplice
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name
Ellen Caplice
Event Type
Marriage
Event Date
Apr - Jun 1921
Event Place
Tipperary, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year
Apr - Jun 1921
Registration District
Tipperary
Volume Number
3
Page Number
448

Yes Maddie.

I've just found Ellen and Richards marriage documents so Ellens father was Patrick Caplice and Richards father was Andrew Ryan. There was an Ellen Ryan as a witness but no evidence to suggest which relative she actually is.

1911 still a fitzgerald

Ellie Fitzgerald

in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911

Report issue

Name: Ellie Fitzgerald
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Grand Daughter
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Gorteeshal
District: Ballyporeen
County: Tipperary
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Caplice 65
Margaret Caplice 60
Margaret Caplice 30
James Caplice 28
John Caplice 16
Thomas Caplice 62
John Dunlea 7
Patrick Russell 5
Ellie Fitzgerald 11
URL:

I think you need the birth cert to be poitive of parentage :-)

????

if ellen caplice born 1899 she should be 2 in 1901 is this her

Residents of a house 2 in Lackamore (Newport, Tipperary)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Caplis Michael 38 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Tipperory Farmer Read and write - Married -
Caplis Sarah 35 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Tipperory - Read and write - Married -
Caplis Johanna 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperory Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Caplis Kate 6 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperory Scholar Read - Not Married -
Caplis John 5 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Tipperory Scholar Read - Not Married -
Caplis Ellen 2 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperory - Cannot read - Not Married -xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Caplis Elizabeth 2 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperory - Cannot read - Not Married -
Caplis Richard Male Son Roman Catholic Co Tipperory - Cannot read - Not Married -
OReilly Ellen 18 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Domestic Servant Read and write - Not Married -

if safc post is corret thereis a tree on ancestry has this

father Micheal Caplis
Birth
11 APR 1861 • Lackamore, Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1861

(AGE)
Marriage
28 Nov 1891 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland
Sarah Mackey
Sarah Mackey

(1867–1944)

1891

30
Birth of Daughter Kate Caplis(1892–)
April 1892 • Lackamore, Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1892

30
Birth of Daughter Johanna Caplis(1893–1975)
2 Sep 1893 • Lackamore Newport Co Tipperary

1893

32
Birth of Son John Michael Caplis(1895–1964)
17 Nov 1895 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1895

34
Birth of Son Richard Caplis(1898–)
30 Apr 1898 • , , Tipperary, Ireland

1898

37
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Caplis(1899–1981)
4 Apr 1899 • Tipperary, Ireland

1899

37
Birth of Daughter Ellen Caplis(1899–)
4 Apr 1899 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1899

37
Prisoner
1900 • Lackamore, Newport, County Tipperary, Ireland

Prison event date: 1900 event place: Limerick, Limerick, Ireland residence: Lackamore Co Tipp age: 38 birthplace: Lackamore Co Tipp estimated birth year: 1862 prison: Limerick offence: Seriously Assault victim: Mchl Quigley victim

1900

39
Residence
31 March 1901 • Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

Age: 38; Relation to Head of House: Head

1901

39
Birth of Daughter Mary Anne Caplis(1901–)
22 Aug 1901 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1901

40
Birth of Son Richard Francis Caplis(1902–1988)
29 Jun 1902 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1902

41
Birth of Son Michael Caplis(1902–)
9 Sep 1902 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1902

41
Birth of Daughter Sarah Caplis(1903–1978)
10 Oct 1903 • Lackamore, Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1903

42
Birth of Son Martin John Caplis(1905–1985)
15 Jun 1905 • Lackamore, Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1905

44
Birth of Daughter Bridget Caplis(1907–1984)
5 Sep 1907 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1907

46
Birth of Son Patrick Caplis(1909–)
1909 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1909

47
Birth of Son Andrew Caplis(1909–1983)
28 Oct 1909 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

1909

48
Residence
2 April 1911 • Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1911

49
Census
2 APR 1911 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland

Michael's signature on the original form attached. Listed 16 children born to this couple but only 13 living

1911

49
Birth of Son Jim Caplis(1911–1981)
15 Apr 1911 • , , Tipperary, Ireland

1911

50
Death of Father John Caplis(1834–1918)
APR 1918 • Lackamore, Newport, County Tipperary, Ireland

1918

57
Death
4 NOV 1932 • Lackamore, Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

mother Sarah Mackey

Birth
1 Nov 1867 • Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1867

(AGE)
Baptism
2 Nov 1867 • Newport, Tipperary, Ireland

1867

0
Marriage
28 Nov 1891 • Lackamore, Newport,Tipperary, Ireland
Michael Caplis

Death
11 Dec 1944 • Lackamore, Newport, County Tipperary, Ireland

Wake Card information attached. 16 children born to this woman is quite a testament to her faith and dedication as a mother.

Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
View Record
Name Ellen Caplis
Date of Registration 1899 - Apr-May-Jun[1899]
Registration district Nenagh
Birth Country Ireland
Volume 3
Page 436
FHL Film Number 101067
Household Members
Name Age
Ellen Caplis

I've got Ellen Caplice father as Patrick Caplice and mother is Margaret Green.

Ellen was 15 in 1914 and lived with Patrick, Margaret and her siblings John, James, Margaret, Mary and her uncle Thomas Caplice.

Could I just point out that is is CAPLICE not Caplis.

Ireland Census 1901 Transcription
Print transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Age Birth year Birth place
Patrick Caplice Head of Family Married 55 1846 Tipperary
Transcription
Margaret Caplice Wife Married 50 1851 Tipperary
Transcription
James Caplice Son Single 19 1882 Tipperary
Transcription
John Caplice Son Single 6 1895 Tipperary
Transcription
Mary Caplice Daughter Single 25 1876 Tipperary
Transcription
Margaret Caplice Daughter Single 23 1878 Tipperary
Transcription
Ellen Caplice Daughter Single 15 1886 Tipperary
Transcription xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thomas Caplice Brother Single 52 1849 Tipperary
Transcription
Ellen Fitzgerald Grand Daughter Single 2 1899 Tipperary

ellen born 1886 i was looking for her born 1899

Where did the 1914 information come from?

How old was Ellen on her marriage certificate, and what was father's occupation.

Are you sure your Ellen Caplice was not Ellen Fitzgerald (Grandaughter)

Same family 1911

Residents of a house 9 in Gorteeshal (Ballyporeen, Tipperary)

Caplice Patrick 65 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Caplice Margaret 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Caplice Margaret 30 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Caplice James 28 Male Son Roman Catholic
Caplice John 16 Male Son Roman Catholic
Caplice Thomas 62 Male Brother Roman Catholic
Dunlea John 7 Male Grand Son Roman Catholic
Russell Patrick 5 Male Grand Son Roman Catholic
Fitzgerald Ellie 11 Female Grand Daughter Roman Catholic

EDIT: Just seen marriage certificate:

Married 13th April 1921, Ellen 22, Father Patrick- Farmer, Ellen's address: OBrien Street, Tipperary.

Patrick Caplice
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name Patrick Caplice
Event Type Death
Event Date Jul - Sep 1918
Event Place Clogheen, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jul - Sep 1918
Registration District Clogheen
Age 71
Birth Year (Estimated) 1847
Volume Number 4
Page Number 275
Citing this Record

"Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR2K-WPR : 4 December 2014), DEATHS entry for Patrick Caplice; citing Clogheen, Jul - Sep 1918, vol. 4, p. 275, General Registry, Custom House, Dublin; FHL microfilm 101,607.


Patrick Caplice
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name Patrick Caplice
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1875
Event Place Clogheen, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year 1875
Registration District Clogheen
Volume Number 4
Page Number 545
Citing this Record

"Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY32-KX3 : 4 December 2014), MARRIAGES entry for Patrick Caplice; citing Clogheen, 1875, vol. 4, p. 545, General Registry, Custom House, Dublin; FHL microfilm 101,252.

Margaret Caplice
Gender Female
Birth Date 21 Nov 1877
Birthplace Gurtishal, Tipperary, Ireland
Father's Name Patrick Caplice
Mother's Name Margaret Green Caplice
Citing this Record

"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPQP-298 : 8 December 2014), Patrick Caplice in entry for Margaret Caplice, 21 Nov 1877; citing Gurtishal, Tipperary, Ireland, reference v 19-2 p 639; FHL microfilm 255,995.

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Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00906-8
System Origin Ireland-EASy
GS Film number 255995
Reference ID v 19-2 p 639

Mary Caplice
Gender Female
Christening Place CLOGHEEN, TIPP, IRE.
Birth Date 05 Dec 1875
Birthplace Clogheen, Tipp, Ire.
Father's Name Patrick Caplice
Mother's Name Margaret Green
Citing this Record

"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBB-QG9 : 8 December 2014), Patrick Caplice in entry for Mary Caplice, 05 Dec 1875; citing Clogheen, Tipp, Ire., reference p 647 no 206; FHL microfilm 255,942.

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Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C70250-8
System Origin Ireland-VR
GS Film number 255942
Reference ID p 647 no 206

Name Margaret Caplice
Event Type Death
Event Date Jul - Sep 1932
Event Place Clogheen, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jul - Sep 1932
Registration District Clogheen
Age 82
Birth Year (Estimated) 1850
Volume Number 4
Page Number 267
Citing this Record

"Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTVP-9Q9 : 4 December 2014), DEATHS entry for Margaret Caplice; citing Clogheen, Jul - Sep 1932, vol. 4, p. 267, General Registry, Custom House, Dublin; FHL microfilm 101,739.

a maybe
Patrietus Caplice

in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
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Name: Patrietus Caplice
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1842
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1842
Baptism Place: Clogheen, Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants: Ballyporeen, Ballysheehan, Shanrahan
Diocese: Waterford and Lismore
Father: Joannes Caplice
Mother: Johanna Porreca

Patrietus Caplice

in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
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Name: Patrietus Caplice
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1842
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1842
Baptism Place: Clogheen, Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants: Ballyporeen, Ballysheehan, Shanrahan
Diocese: Waterford and Lismore
Father: Joannes Caplice
Mother: Johanna Porreca

So if Patrick and Margaret Green had according to 1911 census 4 children all living and 3 with them in 1911 -minus Mary 1875 and Ellen 1886 or 1899 then who were the daughters who married and gave birth to
John Dunlea 7 Grandson
Patrick Russell 5
Ellie Fitzgerald 11 granddaughter
All on 1911 census!

Or am I missing something?

Maryb.

Maryb..... Your not missing something...I am just as confused , I can usually sort out whats what...but ,I've looked at this a few time and am still sorting !!!

Richards family is even worse if they are who I think they may be...!!

Just for the record - Patrick & Margaret's marriage. Maddie posted a different version which didn't give Margaret's name:

Patrick Caplice
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Patrick Caplice
Date of Registration: 1875
Registration district: Clogheen, Ireland
Volume: 4
Page Number: 545
FHL Film Number: 101252
Records on Page:
Name
Patrick Caplice
Margaret Greene