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Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Ricketts Frederick Robert G Hackney 1b 470

Edits (NO, he is on 1911 with Frederick Charles/Lily Alice)

(there is above, but George 1911, 1911 posted earlier, looks to be Son of a Robert...(although he has his Frederick as 1910!)

Chris :)

(not much help, just looking through below!, using search, ric* fre*)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(not Albert/Henrietta on Electoral, 1911 they have their 4 children, no Frederick)


(not relating, but the other Tenant Louis at address, on Electoral)

14 April 1939 - Hendon & Finchley Times - London, London, England

Experienced Rag Traveller.
with good connecrtion for wiping rag dept., existing connection handed to right hand man, car essential; wages £3 week, plus commission.— Write. Levene. 39, Scrutton-street, E.C.2

All London, England, Electoral Registers, (Ancestry)

(looking on above, Ellen A Pettitt is at 39 with them 1939 1946 1947, possibly more, mistranscriptions on this index, rife!)

Chris :)

(possible below)

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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CHAPMAN Ellen Amelia Hackney 1b 867
PETTITT Albert Victor Hackney 1b 867


(Whitbreads Brewery was Chiswell Street)

If you would like a second opinion on the writing on that cert Nicola, I would be happy to take a look.

Can you scan it? - If so, let me know and I will pm you my e-mail address.

Dea x

Father Albert Ricketts was listed as deceased on son Frederick marriage cert in 1930.
Can't even find the witnesses?? sure it is William Goswell ??

????

is this alberts death if it is you could buy it to see if he was a painter and who's name registered the death ?


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) ALBERT L J
Last name RICKETTS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1885
Age 38
Death quarter 2
Death year 1923
District EDMONTON
County Middlesex
Volume 3A
Page 582
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

10 Louisa St Ware St Kingsland Road, Shoreditch, London, England


Albert Pettitt Head Married Male Furniture Porter 36 1875 London Horney

Ellen Pettitt Wife Married Female - 29 1882 London Dalston

Albert Pettitt Son - Male School 7 1904 London Hackneywick

Alice Pettitt Daughter - Female - 4 1907 London Bow

Stanley Pettitt Son - Male - 0 1911 London Shoreditch

My mum was born at 39 Scrutton St in 1933, will ask her about Ellen Pettitt, in 1911 census Ellen was living in shoreditch with Albert Pettitt and kids Albert, Alice and Stanley. Could someone look up the address for this family in 1911?

Ellen A Pettitt on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Pettitt Household (1 Person) 39 Scrutton Street , Shoreditch, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ellen A Pettitt 30 Jan 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 137 1

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still at number 39 scrutton street


Frederick Richttes on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Richttes Household (2 People) 39 Scrutton Street , Shoreditch, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frederick Richttes 23 Sep 1906 Male Transport Carman Married 136 1
Elizabeth (A) Richttes 02 Apr 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 136 2

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1 record closed

Albert Leonard on the 1911 is shown as General Labourer

That does not however mean that he might not have become a painter by 1930

Just got the copy of marriage cert for Frederick Ricketts and Elisabeth Alice Elliott on the 12 April 1930, Frederick was aged 22, address for both of them is 39 Scrutton Street,EC1. Writing is really bad but pretty sure his fathers name is Albert Ricketts, Occ: Painter. Witnesses looks like William Goswell and Sarah Ann Elliott.
I wish I could get a 2nd opinion on this writing..
So I can only find a Albert Leonard Ricketts in 1911 census born 1885 with a son Frederick Leonard Ricketts born 1910. Was this Albert a Painter?? So disappointed, seems like I am back to square one. Really need some help.

I have made many mistakes in the past by assuming, so I am hoping the marriage cert will help confirm age (roughly) but more importantly fathers name. My mum knows nothing about her fathers family, she can't remember any aunts or uncles. Only that Frederick Ricketts drove a truck for Whitbreads Brewery near Old St, EC1, London in the 30's and 40's. The only pic I have is of Fred with his Whitbreads truck.
Will need your help again when I get the marriage cert.

Sylvia - My mum never had a b.cert until she went to work aged 14. Apparently she needed one for some purpose (maybe to buy stamps - I don't know). Anyway, since one was required under some Act or other, she got to buy a cheap one that only cost 6d instead of the standard 2/6 (or whatever). This b.cert said "only valid for the purposes of the Act", but of course it was a valid b.cert.

People were required to prove their age for OAPs. These were for 70 y.o.'s when they were introduced in 1909, which meant anyone aged 72 or older was born before civil rego began (plus anyone born in Scotland or Ireland). Baptismal certs were accepted, but many don't know where, or if, they were baptized, and there could be no one still around to ask. I didn't know where I was baptized - I knew who my god-parents were, so I could guess where I was baptized, but I didn't KNOW - well not until my brother died, and I got the family photos and papers, amongst which was my baptismal cert - (my guess was right). Anyway, many people couldn't produce a baptismal cert, so the census was opened up thousands of times to substantiate ages.

There are lots of jurisdictions in N America where civil registration of BMDs didn't exist in the 1890s - in Canada, civil registration only began in 1925 in NWT, and the records are quite incomplete before the 1940s, not that anyone lives there.
A more interesting case is Nova Scotia, where civil rego began in 1864, but the province was facing bankruptcy in the 1870s, so they suspended civil rego for Bs and Ds for 30y. When they restarted in 1908, there was a special provision for late rego's, Births pre-1/10/1908 are online, and there are a fair number of late rego's, some 50-60y late (I suppose they're wanting passports or pensions), and usually there's a letter from the registrar there saying what's been done to verify the birth - things like letters from childhood neighbours, school teachers, affidavits from the subject and family members, etc, and occasionally the registrar says he opened up the census to check that (1901 listed a d.o.b.).

My gran changed my aunt's d.o.b. My gran wanted her to be born on a particular date, but she missed it by 10 min. My dad was around 20 and in the house at the time, so he knew, but my gran made him promise never to tell anyone, esoecially my aunt, what the real d.o.b. was. He never told her, just me and mum, and we never said anything. I know gran made a 20 min alteration in the time when she rego'ed the birth, but they never recorded the time (and I've forgotten whether she added or subtracted the 20 min, so I don't recall the true d.o.b. and can't find it out now, so I guess I'll take the average date and keep my gran happy).

mgnv ..............


as I said, my grandfather was the oddity in changing his birthday :-D

I have sometimes wondered whether his parents had told him he was born on Christmas Day, so they only had to buy 1 present, and that possibly he couldn't change the story when he did get his birthday certificate?

I have no information on when he did find out ................ it could have been when he joined up in WW1, or not until he had to apply for OAP in the 1950s

The pre-WW1 b.certs for several Canadian provinces are free on-line, as well as the full service records of half the 699999 WW1 soldiers (plus the attestation papers of 95% of rest). Also the Canadian 1901 census gives d.o.b. (the 1911 just gives month of birth), so I've seen a lot of d.o.b's, and it's not unusual for the year of birth to disagree, but the birthdays rarely do.

I would feel quite comfortable saying Fred's d.o.b. was 23/2/1910.

Nicole .....

don't put too much emphasis on the birth date on the death certificate!


Much of the information on a death certificate is only what was known to the informant, and therefore it is hearsay. We all find much of that hearsay information to be wrong!

Information that is accurate on a death certificate ........

Date, place and cause of death
Name of doctor and/or coroner
Name and relationship of informant


Literally everything else is "hearsay" ..... what the deceased person told people.

Many people changed their names because they didn't like the one their parents had given them, or they may not have told anyone that they had more than 1 forename.

People changed their ages .......... but you will usually find that they keep the date correct. The year may well vary by 1 or more years.


My grandfather was the oddity ................. he changed the day and month :-S

......... he led everyone in the family to believe that he was born on 25 December, year not specified. We all had to go on Christmas Day because that was his birthday! The pressure was enormous!

NO ........ he was born 9 January 1885, but he was baptized on 29 Dec 1886 at the same time as his younger sister.

He did have his birth certificate in a drawer, which his son found after grandfather's death, so he knew what he was doing.

He and his wife also told thy vicar they were 1-2 years older than their true ages when they got married ............... she said she was 20 (really 19), he said he was 18 (really 17). I don't see the point of why they did that as they still had to get parental permission :-D

Births Mar 1910

RICKETT Frederick Frances Holborn 1b 639

Just ordered marriage cert for Frederick Ricketts and Elisabeth A Elliott June 1930, Shoreditch (grandparents) Fred's death cert says he was born 23rd Feb 1909. I can't find a birth that matches that.Thanks for all your help and will call on you all again when it arrives.

Well I missed that marriage Choccy - and top of the FMP list this morning, so I guess it was there yesterday!!

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(if any more Burials relating on above, Amos William there)

Chris :)

(as Gomm is mentioned above)

Burial
Day Month 13-Apr
Year 1929
Parish Or Reg District Hessenford
Forename Ernest Arthur
Surname GOMM
Age 51
Residence Downderry
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Mike Hancock

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(Gertrude F on below also)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/