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I will keep looking Nicola - The name 'could' also be GREW and I have been following one of those too but getting nowhere at the moment................... :-(

Dont give up yet though !!!

Dea x

I know this area very well, Crondall Street is where my mum went to school, it is just off New North Road and the Elliott side of the family were printers. The writing on the marriage cert is so bad, it's impossible to say for sure. Where do I go from here to find Fred's family? I suppose I need to find his birth cert with father Al????

Thank you you Dea for looking at it I told you it was bad. Not sure about Crew I just can't see it. Although New North road is only half a mile away from Scrutton Street. My Mum doesnt remember the name Goswell or Crew.

Well that would make sense Chris but I keep looking at it and it does seem to say Painter !!! - Mind you, the writing is so appalling that it could say anything - it is the only word on the whole cert which appears to be clearly written !

Dea x

Gracious!, so Goswell could be Crew...

Chris :)

(possibly below) Edits (image on Ancestry, Occ. Printer)

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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CREW William Holborn 1b 1129
Laver John Henry Holborn 1b 1129
Roberts Eliza Holborn 1b 1129
Stevens Julia Holborn 1b 1129


Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Crew Emma Holborn 1b 691

(Occ. given for Alfred wouldn't be Printer, by any chance, instead of Painter?)

Thank you Choccy

Dea x

Crondall Street is just over a 1/2 mile walk from Scrutton Street according to Google maps.

Nicola - I think the witness 'may' be William CREW ?? - What do you think ?

If you look at the end of the surname it looks like a double 'l' but if you compare it to the two l's in William they are much shorter. I think it is a 'w'.

It looks like he has stopped joining the letters after what looks like an 'e' and then started again on the line, moving upwards in a curve to the top of a 'w' ??

There is one living nearby who 'might' be him so I am trying to follow him through to hopefully find a connection somewhere:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
33 New North Road London N, Shoreditch, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
William Crew Head Married Male Genl Printers Warehousemen 39 1872 Lonodn Clerkenwell
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Julia Crew Wife Married Female Bookfolder 38 1873 London Clerkenwell
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Julia Crew Daughter Single Female Capsules Maker 18 1893 London City of London
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Emma Crew Daughter Single Female Capsules Maker 15 1896 London Clerkenwell
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Rose Crew Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London Clerkenwell
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1939:
Crew Household (3 People) 37 Crondall Street , Shoreditch, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
William Crew 20 Feb 1873 Printers Cutter
Julia Crew 03 Dec 1872 Unpaid Domestic Duties
William Crew 12 Jan 1906 General Labourer
***William Crew Son - Male - 5 1906 London Hoxton
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Bella Crew Daughter - Female - 3 1908 London Hoxton

Does anyone know if these addresses are anywhere near the ones we have?

Dea x

1939 Register


Elliott Household (3 People)

26 Holywell Row , Shoreditch, London, England


John W Elliott 08 Apr 1888 Male Printers Porter Married 123 1
Elizabeth A Elliott 14 Mar 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 123 2
Sarah Ann Holden (Linley) 22 Oct 1910 Female Paper Seller Married 123 3

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(Holywell Row is at the end of Scrutton Street)

Sarah Ann Elliott married John J Linley in 1933

Just one thing to note at the moment:

You said above "Father Albert Ricketts was listed as deceased on son Frederick marriage cert in 1930."

The marriage cert does 'not' show that he was deceased !!!

Dea x

Got the scan Nicola and I am 'on the case' but the writing really is horrendous.

Back later.........................

Dea x

The Electrol roll for 39 Scrutton Street found by AustinQ is a great help and I can't wait to look into these other names that where living there during the time that my mum Mary and her siblings were born at 39 Scrutton St. Mum remembers Arthur Stickler he is the father of her youngest brother. She also remembers her grand parents John William Elliott & Elizabeth Alice Elliott living across the road from N0 39.
I will ask her tomorrow if any of the other names ring any bells. It seems that 39 Scrutton Street was the residence of her mothers family the Elliotts and may not shed much light on her father Frederick Ricketts family. Will have to keep searching and thanks everyone

Sorry Dea,
I work long hours and only get late evenings free time but off tomorrow. I have sent the scan copy, let me know when you get it. I really appreciate your help.
Kind regards
Nicky

Hi Nicola.

I think you must be on a different timeline - i.e. in a far away place in the world from me ???

I am trying to stay awake and waiting for your scan to come through as I think I have found something useful for you.

- Come back soon !!!!

Dea Xxx

You mentioned Frederick Leonard born 1910, son of Albert Leonard.

It's not that Frederick- he married Ruby Wilson in 1934 and is living next door to his Mum in 1939 at 45 Durants Road.

Electoral register:

39 Scrutton Street:

1932:
Elliott John William
Elliott Elizabeth Alice
Levene Louis (Abode 112 Clifton Street)

1933:
Elliott John William
Elliott Elizabeth Alice
Elliott Sarah
Levene Louis (abode 112 Clifton Street)
Lumb Ada Mary Ann
Sherwin Albert Henry (abode The Lilacs, High Road)
Sherwin Jane Elizabeth (abode The Lilacs, High Road)

1934:
Hardy Charles (abode 74 High Road)
Hardy Minnie Emma (abode 74 High Road)
Hepden Samuel
Hepden Jessie
Levene Louis (abode 37a Hollywell Lane)
Recketts Frederick
Recketts Elizabeth Alice
Sherwin Albert Henry (abode The Lilacs, High Road)
Sherwin Jane Elizabeth (abode The Lilacs, High Road)

1936:
Levene Louis (abode 34 Angel House)
Levene Sarah Ann (abode 34 Angel House)
Pearce Henry (abode 70 Grange Street)
Recketts Frederick
Recketts Elizabeth Alice

1938:
Levene Louis (abode 34 Angel House)
Levene Sarah Ann (abode 34 Angel House)
Pearce Henry (abode 110 Grange Street)
Pettitt Ellen
Recketts Frederick
Recketts Elizabeth Alice

1946
Pettitt Ellen A
Ricketts Frederick
Ricketts Elizabeth
Strickler Arthur

1950
Levy Ann
Levy Louis
Pettitt Ellen A
Ricketts Frederick
Ricketts Elizabeth
Strickler Arthur

Was thinking that usually in theses cases (as we have found many a time!) some little thing will crop up, that will be the key that opens it up...

Don't get too down, fingers crossed...

Chris :)

Have sent my e-mail address - hope I can help.

Dea x

How can this be so difficult?? a fairly uncommon surname and have death and marriage certs and know birth was between 1907 and 1910 and father's name and occupation but still can't find anything. can't even find the witness William Goswell, hoping that someone else viewing the marriage cert will help. Thanks Dea for offering to look at it. I have scanned it ready to send.