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22 Mar 2018 15:36 |
Argyllgran your people in 1911 are the correct family. Colins address was a shop in Queen Margaret Drive.
Argyllgran the family are the correct family in Maryhill Lanark. I have discovered from my cousin that John was not the youngest. In the family.
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21 Mar 2018 17:15 |
In 1911 - Two possibilities for the John born Hutchesontown 1902, assuming his family were still in Hutchesontown in 1911:
First family:
KERR JOHN 1911 M 9 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR ARTHUR 1911 M 43 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR ARTHUR 1911 M 3 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark Buy credits KERR MAGGIE 1911 F 7 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR JAMES 1911 M 0 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR MARION 1911 F 34 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR MARION 1911 F 11 644/15 47/ 32 Hutchesontown Lanark
Second family:
KERR JOHN 1911 M 9 644/15 30/ 10 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR BRIDGET 1911 F 11 644/15 30/ 10 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR BRIDGET 1911 F 31 644/15 30/ 10 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR ANN 1911 F 7 644/15 30/ 10 Hutchesontown Lanark
KERR JOHN 1911 M 33 644/15 30/ 10 Hutchesontown Lanark
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21 Mar 2018 16:32 |
Finally.. KERR JOHN MCCRADY M 1900 644/3 1380 Dennistoun
I am concerned about saying this but, I have one wee niggling doubt
It is apparent that John McCready Kerr b 1902 in Hutchesontown will be his cousin. Not quite sure who his parent will have been but it's worth checking because....
Can anyone be certain which one of these 2 men emigrated to Canada? The man who went to Canada gave an address in Thistle Street yet evidence suggests that the parents ( Colin and Mary) no longer lived in this area.
Of course, Sandra would probably get a positive DNA match no matter which John was her grandfather?
Perhaps Sandra's info is correct after all
marriage KERR JOHN TAYLOR JEANIE MARSHALL 1898 644/12 566 Gorbals
Has anyone checked Kerr/Miller marriage of 1922 to see who the groom 's parents were?
Death of son KERR JOHN MCCREADIE 72 TAYLOR (MMN) 1974 508/ 269 Kirkintilloch
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21 Mar 2018 16:13 |
1915, 1920, 1925 valuation KERR COLIN Tenant SHOP 43 QUEEN MARGARET DRIVE GLASGOW 1925 VR010201371-
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21 Mar 2018 16:01 |
Colin's death:
KERR COLIN 66 1937 558/ 126 Rothesay
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21 Mar 2018 15:55 |
Here he is....
Daily Record 12 February 1915
Colin Kerr ( Painter and Decorator) was living at 43 Queen Margaret Drive when he successfully sued Glasgow Corporation for £20 through the small claims court A sewer which filled with rainwater and flooded his property several times
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ArgyllGran
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21 Mar 2018 15:50 |
Probably the family in 1911 - you'd need to spend credits on SP to see full details:
KERR COLIN 1911 M 39 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
KERR COLINA 1911 F 4 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
KERR JANE 1911 F 14 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
KERR JOHN 1911 M 10 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
KERR MARY 1911 F 38 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
KERR ANNIE 1911 F 7 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
KERR CHRISTINA 1911 F 12 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark KERR MARY 1911 F 16 644/14 2/ 17 Maryhill Lanark
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ArgyllGran
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21 Mar 2018 15:42 |
Colin's in Glasgow ER's from 1896 onwards.
From 1896 until 1902, he's at 674 Gallowgate, and then 1905-08 he's at 66 Kelvinhaugh Road. I don't see him in 1903-4.
There's another gap 1909-10. Then 1911 - 15, 3 Kelbourne St. After that the ER stops giving occupation, so although there are Colin Kerrs in later years at various addresses, I can't say for sure which would be him.
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21 Mar 2018 15:31 |
I know what's wrong! The Ancestry version of the 1901 census has disconnected Colin and Mary from their children! There ARE in the household.
644/3 18/ 22 Dennistoun Colin and Mary plus: Mary age 5 Jane age 4 Christina age 2 John M age 0
It seems that John may not have been the youngest? Deaths: Marriages for these girls are easily located and places this family in Rothesay in the early 1920's
KERR CHRISTINA ELDER 85 NEILSON 1983 550/ 103 Isle Of Bute
KERR ANNIE **78** NEILSON 1982 550/ 16 Isle Of Bute
KERR JANE MCLACHLAN 88 NEILSON 1984 550/ 148 Isle Of Bute
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21 Mar 2018 15:23 |
Possibly Colin in 1891. I think a grainer is one who paints things to look like wood.
Colin Kerr in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Colin Kerr Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/11 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 6 Lime St Occupation: Grainer ED: 86 Household schedule number: 17 LINE: 17 Roll: CSSCT1891_288 Household Members: Name Age James Neil 40 Mary D Neil 45 William Doughty 23 George Doughty 21 Cathrine Doughty 16 Colin Kerr 20
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ArgyllGran
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21 Mar 2018 15:19 |
Have reinstated 1871 and 1891 for John McCreadie Kerr and Mary McLachlan in my earlier post. GL has posted 1881.
Possibly their marriage;
KERR JOHN MCLACHLAN MARY 1868 644/3 163 Bridgeton
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21 Mar 2018 14:52 |
Sandra, you say that John was born in 1900 and was the youngest? At 1901, his parents had been married for about 7 yrs Is that 8 children in 7yrs? No child appears on any census. Do you have the 1911 census? It will state exactly how many children Mary had at this time
Have you actually seen his birth cert? This one was registered in 1902. As a first son is usually named for his paternal grandfather, this could be a cousin?
KERR JOHN MCCREADIE M 1902 644/11 838 Hutchesontown
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Sandra
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21 Mar 2018 14:48 |
Argyllgran They are the correct people. I don't know where all the other children were at the date of census. John was youngest of 8 children. There were 7 sisters.
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21 Mar 2018 14:40 |
Argyllgran, Re your post of 20 Mar at 12.51 showing a 1901 census. I suspect that they are the grandparents. Colin was their son.
Can Sandra confirm the parent names of her grandfather, John McCready Kerr on the 1900 birth cert?
1881: 23 Govanhill Street, Hutchesontown John Kerr 35 House & ship painter Mary Kerr 35 Agnes Kerr 11 **Colin Kerr 9** Jane Mc L Kerr 7 John Kerr 5 Margaret J Kerr 3 Donald Kerr
Can't locate Colin at 1891 but I guess that this is his marriage? KERR COLIN NEILSON MARY ELDER 1893 644/12 512 Gorbals
Wife's birth Mary Elder Neilson Gender: Female Birth Date: 26 Dec 1866 Birthplace: HIGH CHURCH,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND Father's Name: James Elder Neilson Mother's Name: Mary Johnston
1901: 671 Gallowgate Colin Kerr 28 Painter Mary E Kerr 27 Married approx 7 years and no children showing....
Colin and Mary are both found on the 1911 census index in Gorbals 644/17 66/ There is no one else called Kerr on this index?
If these are the parents of only son, John Kerr, and a further 7 daughters where are these children ? I think Sandra needs to obtain the 1911 census to see how many children Mary had born and still living.
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20 Mar 2018 16:50 |
Several John Kerrs, Sandra, but none with middle name McCreadie.
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20 Mar 2018 16:11 |
John McCreadie Kerrs father was Colin Kerr. He died in Scotland in 1937. Argyllgran, the ship record was in my cousins information she got from family. She also has a picture of the ship. With regards to the voters list, I meant was there a John McCreadie Kerr in British Columbia in 1935?
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20 Mar 2018 12:51 |
John's parents in 1901 ???
EDIT: NO, IGNORE THIS - SANDRA SAYS HIS FATHER'S NAME WAS COLIN
John McCready Kerr in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: John McCready Kerr Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary McLachlan Kerr Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/12 Registration district: Gorbals Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 263 Thistle St Occupation: House Painter ED: 27 Household schedule number: 5 LINE: 14 Roll: CSSCT1901_314 Household Members: Name Age John McCready Kerr 54 Mary McLachlan Kerr 54 William Kerr 16
John Kerr in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: John Kerr Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary McLacland Kerr Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/11 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 346 Rutherglen Road Occupation: House Painter ED: 76 Household schedule number: 16 LINE: 14 Roll: CSSCT1891_288 Household Members: Name Age John Kerr 45 Mary McLacland Kerr 45 Jane Kerr 17 John Kerr 16 Margaret Kerr 14 Mary Kerr 9 William O Kerr 6
John Kerr in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: John Kerr Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Kerr Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark Registration Number: 646/3 Registration district: Partick Civil Parish: Govan Town: Partick County: Lanarkshire Address: 7 Graham St Occupation: House Pamlin ED: 9 Household schedule number: 158 LINE: 3 Roll: CSSCT1871_144 Household Members: Name Age John Kerr 25 Mary Kerr 25 Angus Kerr 1
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20 Mar 2018 12:27 |
The travel record you think is John's:
John Kerr in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: John Kerr Gender: Male Age: 25 Birth Date: abt 1900 Departure Date: 18 Sep 1925 Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Saturnia Shipping line: Anchor Line Official Number: 129489 Master: Wm E Titshall
Occupation: painter UK address: 220 Thistle Street, Glasgow.
It doesn't say if he was going on to somewhere else from Quebec.
Looking at the Glasgow ER:S, there seem to have been Kerrs at various addresses in Thistle Street, Govan, from 1871 to 1915 per ER's And until 1935 per Valuation Rolls - though I don't see any Kerrs at 220 Thistle Street in any year..
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20 Mar 2018 11:43 |
I don't see Blanche anywhere in the UK before that travel record, so maybe she is the one born in Newfoundland in 1901.
If so, I can't see a record of her having gone to the UK in the first place.
The 1919 record does say she hadn't been to Canada before, but possibly ( ??? ) that's because Newfoundland wasn't part of Canada until 1949 (per Wikipedia).
You asked about knowing where in Canada someone was going to. Blanche was going to Toronto, as already posted.
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20 Mar 2018 10:43 |
You ask if there's a John Kerr on the voters' list in 1935. I've mentioned the one (who appears to be married) in Chilliwack - but he's an engineer. Do you mean somewhere else? It's such a common name -there are loads of John Kerrs all over the place.
1935-46, I don't see one listed as a cook (other than a married John Maxwell Kerr in Vancouver in 1935).
Perhaps going to Canada was seen as a chance for a whole new life, with no risk of ever meeting his estranged family again? Maybe Canada was Johns own choice, once he'd been sent packing by his family.
Emigration to Canada was slowing down by the 1920's, and by the 1930's the Canadian authorities were sending people home again because of the Depression. But obviously some people did still emigrate there.
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