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15 Sep 2016 09:47 |
Thank you again for your diligence ArgyllGran, I was also much perplexed by an Ag Lab living in a vicarage! In Choccy's 1851 Betsey is put at East Lutton, which I have found on the map, close by Weaverthorpe..
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14 Sep 2016 11:19 |
1851 says Betsey was born in East Sutton, Yorkshire. I'm not sure exactly where that is, but maybe this could be her baptism ?? (Father's name as on 1839 marriage.)
Betsy Ellis England Births and Christenings Name Betsy Ellis Gender Female Christening Date 18 Apr 1809 Christening Place WEAVERTHORPE,YORK,ENGLAND Father's Name George Ellis Mother's Name Ann
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14 Sep 2016 11:17 |
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Charles's parents' marriage? (from FreeBMD):
Marriages Sep 1839 (>99%) Ellis Betsy Driffield 23 67 Greenwood Thomas Driffield 23 67
EDIT: Also from FS -
Betsy Ellis mentioned in the record of Thomas Greenwood and Betsy Ellis Name Thomas Greenwood Spouse's Name Betsy Ellis Event Date 01 Sep 1839 Event Place Weaverthorpe, York, England
Betsy Ellis mentioned in the record of Thomas Greenwood and Betsy Ellis Name Thomas Greenwood Spouse's Name Betsy Ellis Event Date 03 Sep 1839 Event Place Weaverthorpe,York,England Father's Name John Greenwood Spouse's Father's Name George Ellis
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14 Sep 2016 11:05 |
Charles Greenwood in the 1861 England Census Name: Charles Greenwood Age: 18 Estimated birth year: 1843 Relation: Apprentice Gender: Male Where born: Weaverthorpe, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Weaverthorpe County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Driffield Sub-registration district: Langtoft ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 18 Piece: 3610 Folio: 42 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age William Hodgson 31 Ann Hodgson 29 William H Hodgson 3 Mary J Hodgson 1 Richard Moore 19 Charles Greenwood 18 - apprentice tailor William Summers 15 Margaret Clarkson 14
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14 Sep 2016 11:03 |
Oh, I see - The Vicarage is the address of the first household listed in the census document. Naturally, the Vicar of Weaverthorpe, Samuel Henry Dunze (sp?) lives there with his family.
But other households are just in the village, without specific addresses being given.
The Vicarage is on page 1 of the record; the Greenwood family are on page 6.
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14 Sep 2016 10:59 |
I don't know where FMP gets the address of "The Vicarage" from. There's no specific address on the image.
Ancestry's version of 1851:
Charles Greenwood in the 1851 England Census Name: Charles Greenwood Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Greenwood Mother's name: Betsey Greenwood Gender: Male Where born: Weaverthorpe, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Weaverthorpe Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Driffield Sub-registration district: Foston ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 19 Piece: 2366 Folio: 542 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Greenwood 37 Betsey Greenwood 41 Charles Greenwood 8 Mary A Greenwood 6 John Greenwood 7 Mo
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13 Sep 2016 21:09 |
Found on FMP
:-)
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Frances
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13 Sep 2016 20:50 |
Thank you Choccy, you are a star. I'm obviously not looking in the right places!
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13 Sep 2016 20:36 |
Yorkshire, bishop's transcripts of baptisms
First name(s) Charles
Last name Greenwood
Birth year -
Baptism year 1842
Baptism date 28 Nov 1842
Baptism place Weaverthorpe
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Betsy
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Event type Baptisms, marriages & burials Source year range 1690-1790 Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
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http://tinyurl.com/gurmv76
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13 Sep 2016 20:32 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
The Vicarage, Driffield, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Greenwood Head Married Male 37 1814 Ag Lab Wykeham, Yorkshire, England Betsey Greenwood Wife Married Female 41 1810 - East Lutton, Yorkshire, England >>>>>>Charles Greenwood Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Weaverthorpe, Yorkshire, England Mary A Greenwood Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Weaverthorpe, Yorkshire, England John Greenwood Son - Male 0 1851 - Weaverthorpe, Yorkshire, England
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13 Sep 2016 20:13 |
ArgyllGran has explored the distaff side with great results but poor young Charles has been left all on his lonesome ... :-
Births Jun 1842 Greenwood Charles Driffield 23 50
I reckon that in 1851 he was possibly with his parents and siblings. I have searched in IGI without any success but possibly he is in the 1851 census. Driffield presumably covers his birthplace of Weaverthorpe but can anybody see him there please?
Many thanks, Frances
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12 Sep 2016 16:57 |
Thank you ArgyllGran, you have been so busy whilst Iv'e been away, at my chores!
I have copied it all out into my Word file and will investigate it further later.
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12 Sep 2016 12:44 |
John & Ann Verity had two other daughters - Mary born 1805, and Ann born 1816.
Can't find record of marriage to Welburn or variant, but maybe one of them was Ann & Jane's mother.
EDIT: Most likely Ann, given the YOB's of Jane & Ann jr.
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12 Sep 2016 12:19 |
Elizabeth Peck in the 1861 England Census Name: Elizabeth Peck [Elizabeth Verity] Age: 52 Estimated birth year: 1809 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Ann Verity Gender: Female Where born: Beverley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Beverley St Nicholas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Beverley Sub-registration district: Beverley ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 15 Piece: 3570 Folio: 65 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Ann Verity 81 Elizabeth Peck 52 - sawyer's widow James Peck 2
Elizabeth Peck in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Elizabeth Peck Registration Year: 1864 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Beverley Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 73
Elizabeth Verity England Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 27 November 1826 Saint Mary And Saint Nicholas, Beverley, York, England spouse: John Peck
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12 Sep 2016 12:14 |
Elizabeth Peck and children in the workhouse in 1841.
Presumably she's not Ann & Jane's mother ??
Elizabeth Peck in the 1841 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Peck Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England [Beverlely, Yorkshire, England] Civil Parish: St Martin and St Nicholas Hundred: Beverley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Beverley Sub-registration district: Beverley Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1229 Book: 15 Folio: 4 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Peck 30 Charles Peck 9 George Peck 3 James Peck 1
(plus lots of other people)
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12 Sep 2016 12:11 |
Anne Welburn in the 1861 England Census Name: Anne Welburn Age: 16 Estimated birth year: 1845 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Beverley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Beverley St Nicholas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Beverley Sub-registration district: Beverley ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 17 Piece: 3570 Folio: 74 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Neutz 32 Ellen Neutz 29 Arthur Neutz 5 Mary Neutz 4 George Neutz 2 Anne Neutz 1/12 Harriet A Cardwell 13 Anne Welburn 16
Ann Welburn in the 1851 England Census Name: Ann Welburn Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Beverley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Beverley St Nicholas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Beverley Sub-registration district: South Cave ED, institution, or vessel: 15c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 57 Piece: 2359 Folio: 578 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age John Veritz 74 Ann Veritz 71 Elizabeth Peck 43 - daughter George Peck 13 - grandsoon Jane Welburn 10 - gr-daughter Ann Welburn 6 - gr-daughter
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12 Sep 2016 12:06 |
Ann's birth (1871 census says she was born Beverley)
Births Jun 1845 (>99%) Welburn Ann Beverley 23 3
And her husband Charles's birth (born Weaverthorpe per 1871 census):
Births Jun 1842 (>99%) Greenwood Charles Driffield 23 50
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12 Sep 2016 11:53 |
Possibly Charles T's parents' marriage ??:
Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Greenwood Charles Scarbro 9d 521 Welburn Ann Scarbro 9d 521
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12 Sep 2016 10:59 |
Thanks Choccy, I can now start looking for this previous generation. There was a second potential birth in 1870 but as he doesn't appear in the '71 census, I can discard him (possibly checking that he didn't die as an infant!)
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12 Sep 2016 10:46 |
Yorkshire Marriages First name(s) Charles Thomas
Last name Greenwood
Age 22
Birth year 1869
Marriage year 1891
Marriage date 11 Nov 1891
Marriage place Scarborough, St Mary
Residence 37 Sussex St
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Greenwood
Spouse's first name(s) Annie
Spouse's last name Nixson
Spouse's age 24
Spouse's residence Marine Terrace
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Nixson
County Yorkshire (East Riding) Country England
Archive East Riding Archives & Local Studies Service
Archive reference PE 165/33
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