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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/40607026
Gerry

Just seen that it was Private, I think I have now made in public.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/edit/40607026
Hope it works this time.

Gerry

If it is the correct family it doesn't look like Thomas H E Smith or his sister Agnes married.

Probate:

SMITH Thomas Henry Edward of Flat 11 Holmgrove House, 11 Brighton Road, Purley, Surrey died 7 May 1988 Probate Winchester 29 September £95894

Sister:

SMITH Agnes Louisa Sophia of 59 Gunton Road, London E5 died 10 January 1974 Administration London 10 April £16944

Father:

SMITH Thomas Joseph of 59 Gunton Road Upper Clapton, London E5 died 19 April 1948 at la Manor Road Ilford Essex Administration London 27 October to Agnes Mary Smith widow and Thomas Henry Edward Smith insurance superintendent Effects £1375

Mother:

SMITH Agnes Mary of 59 Gunton Road Upper Clapton, London E5 widow died 18 March 1949 Administration London 3 August to Agnes Louisa Smith spinster and Thomas Henry Edward Smith insurance district superintendent Effects £2880

Sorry Dea- was thinking the same- if Grandad had been alive I'm sure it would have been from them both. Jjust added the death of his Grandad (1903) to my previous post.

I would agree Austin.

Also, the fact that it was 'presented to him' by his Grandma would also lead me to think that his Grandfather was probably deceased. (Ony supposition though but everything sent to my children would be signed from 'Granny & Grandad' -( If and when I am eventually left on my own this would then just be signed from me ) ??

Dea x

That would suggest to me- as you've said, that his first names were Thomas Henry Edward

The family of Jemima Smith that you've posted above seems to be more than coincidence. Could she have got his age wrong!
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Shoreditch Observer - Saturday 02 May 1903
The death announced at the age of 61 of Mr. Henry Smith of Mowlem Street, Victoria Park. Deceased, who had been ailing for a long time was well know in the district, he having till recently been connected with the firm Smith and Co. leather merchants, of Bethnal Green. The funeral took place at Woodgrange Cemetery on Monday last, the arrangements being carried out by Mr J Sigournay of Bethnal Green Road.
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)

SMITH Henry of 45 Mowlem Street, Bishops Road, Victoria Park, Middlesex died 10th April 1903 Probate London 7 May to Jemima Annie Sophia Smith widow, Effects £452

Well it is certainly written quite clearly:

This bible was presented to
Thomas Henry Edward (NOT Edwards) from his Grandma

Jemima Smith

On his 5th birthday
November 12th
1912.

Although I still believe the signature says SMITH - it could 'possibly' say SOUTH.

Dea x

Gerry- the picture is still private. Make the image public and then post the link again- hopefully should then work.

Hello Everyone.
If I have done this correct, the link to the details is http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/edit/40607026

When the Church gave me the Biblle, a person said can you imagine what a 5 year old boy was feeling when given this large heavy Bible as a present on his birthday.

I have to go out now, I will check later.
Again, Thank you for all the help

Gerry

Going right back to the original 1939 census which I posted and to the subsequent marriage found by Choccy :

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Jemima Sophia Annie Veazey

Estimated birth year:abt 1845

Age:36

Spouse: Henry Smith

Spouse Age:39

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:26 Dec 1881

Parish:St Peter, Bethnal Green

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Father Name:George Veazey

Spouse Father:Henry Smith



I was having difficulty following theis couple through census' but then came across this as a possibility:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Martha Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
H Smith Head Married Male 38 1843 Traveller City of London, Middlesex, England
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A Smith Wife Married Female 36 1845 Wool Weaver (Cloth) City of London, Middlesex, England
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H Smith Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
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T Smith Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England


The address is exactly the same as on the marriage cert so it looks like they were living together before they married and Jemima Sophia Annie is using one of her middle name?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sweet Staff Shop, Mowlem Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Smith Head Married Male 48 1843 Iron Cutter **** Romford, Essex, England - Image just says 'Traveller'
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Annie Smith Wife Married Female 47 1844 General Shop Keeper Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Henry W Smith Son Single Male 19 1872 Clicke Boot Trade Mile End, Middlesex, England
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*Thomas Smith Son Single Male 16 1875 Clicke Boot Trade Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
*NB - Thomas J on image !!!


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
45, Mowlem Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Smith Head Married Male 58 1843 General Shopkeeper Romford, Essex, England
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Anna Smith Wife Married Female 57 1844 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Henry W Smith Son Single Male 29 1872 Shoe Manufacturer Mile End, Middlesex, England
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Thomas J Smith Son Single Male 26 1875 Shoe Manufacturer Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England


By 1911 - Henry Sr. had died and 'Annie' had now moved to Hackney to live with her son Henry W (This would fit for the area where her death was registered):


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
69 King Edward Road Hackney, St John At Hackney, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Henry W Smith Head Married Male Boot Manufacturer 40 1871 London Bethnal Green
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Catherine Smith Wife Married Female - 34 1877 London Hackney
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Henry Thomas Smith Son - Male - 5 1906 London Hackney
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**Annie Smith - Widow Female - 67 1844 London Shoreditch
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Clara Juckes - Single Female Housemaid Domestic 19 1892 London Shadwell
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Census details


Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
AMBROSE Annie Maria Hackney 1b 958 Scan available - click to view
EMANS John Alfred W Hackney 1b 958 Scan available - click to view
EMONS John Alfred W Hackney 1b 958 Scan available - click to view
***Lambard Catherine Hackney 1b 958 Scan available - click to view
***Smith Henry William Hackney 1b 958 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

You can upload the page to your keepsafe on this site, and then post the link.

I've never used the keepsafe, but I'm sure someone will let you know how to do it

Sending you my e-mail addy Gerry - I would love to take a look at that page please.

Dea x

Hello Everyone. I have only just turned on PC and seen whats been said. I am sure I have given the correct details. I am new to this site so not sure if emails can be or would be given out. I can scan the page and send to anyone who sends a message to me with an email address. Perhaps there is a way of uploading to this site. I am new to this so without your kind help, I would have stood no chance in returning this book, which I must do for them.

Gerry

(lol, thanks AQ, was sitting here thinking I'd finally lost the plot!, also found her on London Electoral. Ancestry)

Chris :)

That covers some Burials for Teddington, if any use.

Yeah, sorry, it was me again Chris! Hadn't realised that people were working on a different family, so deleted.

(no idea of things here folks, but saw below, if relating anywhere)

Chris :)

Deceased name Jemima SMITH
Date of Burial 17/04/1928
Gender Female
Age 84 Years
Date of death Unknown
Location Teddington Cemetery
Section M
Grave 428

http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/lbrburials/(S(w4ttqm0a2llffk5locotnz2c))/Search.aspx

Deaths Jun 1928 (>99%)
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Smith Jemima 84 Kingston 2a 609


Edits (did I just see a Jemima Smith, 1911, Springfield Road somewhere!)

Thanks Choccy and Andysmum,

So, there 'is' a link from my Thomas Henry Edwards to a Jemima then !!

I had looked at that death for a Jemima in 1915 but was unable to find the probate details.

I am still having a lot of trouble trying to take this any further though :-(

Dea x

Not any help- but was just following up the Thomas Henry Edwards that died 1981:

Name: Thomas Henry Edwards
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1907
Date of Registration: Jun 1981
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12 Page: 0345
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He appears on the 1939 register with his brother (1 year out)

Edwards Household (3 People) 232 Green Street , Enfield U.D., Middlesex, England
Thomas H Edwards 19 Nov 1908 Male Barge Driver (Diesel Engine) Single
Sarah Edwards 16 Sep 1911 Female Factory Hand- Slot Slitter Married
Frank Edwards 27 Aug 1920 Male ??? Single
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His brother's birth:
Name Frank Edwards
Mother's Maiden Surname Pickavance
Date of Registration 1920 - Jul-Aug-Sep[1920]
Registration district Prescot
Inferred County Lancashire
Volume Number 8b Page number 1605

Which means the death in 1981 was for the Thomas Henry Edwards born 1907 Prescot. (with parents Alice Pickavance and Thomas Edwards). So as PricklyHolly said it's unlikey to be this one.

Re Choccy's 1911

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
DRUMMOND Agnes Mary Hackney 1b 868
Smith Thomas Joseph Hackney 1b 868

Off to bed now - someone may now be able to go forward (if the 1911 census I posted is correct)