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They might not have lived there for long, or even at all.

Helen might have gone there to have the baby ..............

Babies were generally born at home, but it was quite common into the 1950's for local midwives or nurse to have 1 or 2 rooms in her house where expectant mothers went to have their babies ............ one of James Herriot's books describes his wife doing just that when their first child was born!

She might have been evacuated there from elsewhere, eg, London.

Boiler maker on certificate. for Hebert Tomlinson .

As Herbert is not with the family in 1939, that would probably indicate that he was in one of the Services. What occupation is given on children's birth certs?

Theodora street is Ardwick Manchester 12 .that the one on my dads birth certificate so surly they must have lived there in 1944 year of birth. I have been trying grandads number in thing but nothing coming up. Could he have been a special P.C because off war time.

Would that be Police, relating to Occupation?...

Chris :)

(looking round on google search, seems to be Theodore Street?, not familiar with Lancs., me, lol)

(At 8 Theodore, 1939 was a Kathleen E. Smart (b. 1912) a Daughter, and a Beatrice Wain (b. 1901)

Edits (Maincliffe, not seeing!, quite a few contenders for E Bailey 1911 Chorlton)

Ok let's see if I can put what I have. On marriage certificate says Helen Egan as above. One witness is E Bailey. Other looks like LF maincliffe. And on my dads birth certificate she again come up as Helen Tomlinson former Egan. Under occupation of father it says 269,2826 P.C. Of 8 Theodora street Ardwick still looking I'm not giving up thank you everyone...

Edits (no, think below is one born Cheshire, 1910, have her Death 1955, Australia, not right Father!)


1939 Register (Find My Past)

54 Longley Road , Manchester C.B., Lancashire,
Norah Dobson 10 Jul 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Norman Dobson 23 Oct 1908 Male Building Trade Carpenter And Joiner Married


Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%)
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Dobson Norman Egan Manchester S. 8d 258
Egan Norah Dobson Manchester S. 8d 258

(did wonder if above was Sister)

Chris :)

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934

EGAN Norah DOBSON Norman Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/394/100


Edits (in case him, 1911 says Kilkenny, St Patrick ?)

1901
Residents of a house 14 in Patrick Street Upper (Kilkenny Urban, Kilkenny)
Egan Thomas 66 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic City of Kilkenny Rope Maker Read and write Irish and English Married -
Egan Johanna 46 Female Wife Roman Catholic City of Kilkenny House Keeper Read write English Married -
Egan John 21 Male Son Roman Catholic City of Kilkenny General Labourer Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Egan Thomas 19 Male Son Roman Catholic City of Kilkenny General Labourer Read and write Irish and English Not Married

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Egan John P Welsh Pontypool 11a 344

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Egan Ellen Bedwellty 11a 99

could be

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
EGAN Norah Pontypool 11a 178

????

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
EGAN Thomas Bedwellty 11a 170
JOHN Mary Ann Bedwellty 11a 170
WATKINS Thomas John Bedwellty 11a 170
WELCH Mary Bedwellty 11a 170

Not sure where I saw it now (this morning) lol, but sure there was something for Welsh Ellen, with Father Thomas. Find My Past...

Chris :)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Egan
Birth year 1906
Birth date 01 Apr 1906
Event year 1909
School name Abertillery Church School (Infants)
Town Abertillery
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) Thomas
Book type Admissions
Archive reference CEB1/6
Archive Gwent Archives
(Address, 32, Alma Street)

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
39 Partridge Road Llanhilleth Mon, Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Davies Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 40 1871 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Sarah Ann Davies Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Florence Davies Daughter - Female - 13 1898 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Minnie Davies Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Phylis Davies Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Annie Davies Daughter - Female School 7 1904 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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John Davies Son - Male School 6 1905 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Clarice Davies Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Hilda Davies Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Thomas Egan Niece Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 34 1877 Co Chilkinny St Patrick xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Mary Egan Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Monmouth Ponty Pool
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Ellan Egan Daughter - Female School 4 1907 Monmouth Llanhillith xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Porow Egan Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Monmouth Llanhillith


it does not say niece for thomas


married 6 years 2 children born 2 living

Who were the witness's on marriage cert and was she roman catholic,church of england or other.Did it say her dad was deceased?

Maryb.

Thank you all so much I'm over whelmed with your responses . I have marriage cert for Helen and Herbert Tomlinson 1931 have the family on Tomlinson side. Helen says her father was a collier name Thomas Egan. Looked for him too, nothing. They lived 5 new bank st Ardwick Manchester . I did go down the Livesey route and got the marriage certificate but was wrong one... But thank you all so so much I'm amazed. Have been trying to trace her for long time now but with illness can get out and about like I would need to. Many many thanks.... Bless you all..

Marriage: 3 Sep 1904 St James, Broughton, Lancs.
George Tomlinson - 35, Fireman, Bachelor, Newton Heath
Elizabeth Hannah Minay - 23, Spinster, 21 Eskrigge Street
Groom's Father: John Tomlinson, Platelayer
Bride's Father: William Minay, Organ Builder
Witness: William Edge Brandreth; Ada Minay
Married by Banns by: C. E. Stewart, Rector
Register: Marriages 1904 - 1913, Page 12, Entry 23
Source: Original Parish Register


(above comes up on google search, if relating)


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905

EGAN Ellen Pendleton Salford PEN/189/41


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1906

EGAN Ellen Barton on Irwell Salford BAR/100/38

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1931

EGAN Helen TOMLINSON Herbert Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/373/154

(2 possible female Births on above link)


1939 Register (Find My Past)

19 Eskrigge Street , Salford C.B., Lancashire,
Phoebe Tomlinson 06 Dec 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single
Sarah B Tomlinson 23 Oct 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single

(above also comes up for 'Eskrigge', if they related, Phoebe Death 1942 in Newspaper)


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898

EGAN James O'SULLIVAN Lucy Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR

(looks to be above Parents for the 'Eileen' Egan 1911)


http://www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Lancashire11167_1.html

(I am looking for relitives that lived here. herbert tomlinson married helen egan in 1931 could anyone the me anything about them or there familys....)

Eric was also born in London

Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Tomlinson Eric Egan Paddington 1a 6

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) ERIC
Last name TOMLINSON
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 2
Birth year 1935
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1998
District LANCASTER
District number 5872B
Register number B1C
Entry number 092
Date of registration mm/yy 0598
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Re the 1939 register .........

Livesey (Tomlinson) Household (2 People) 16 Eskrigge Street , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Helen Livesey (Tomlinson) 12 Aug 1906 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Eric Tomlinson 21 Feb 1935 At School


If you look at the image, her name is shown as Tomlinson, then crossed out and Livesey written above it in green, with some letters and numbers written in the left hand column

This means that a correction was made AFTER her second marriage. The 1939 Register was used as the basis for the NHS Register in 1947, and was continually updated with future marriages, and deaths from then to about 1991, . FMP is now updating.

For some unknown reason, FMP Preview shows the LAST married name with previous surnames in brackets.

This seems to be confusing lots of people.

????


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HELEN
Last name LIVESEY
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1904
Age 58
Death quarter 2
Death year 1962
District MANCHESTER
County Lancashire
Volume 10E
Page 86
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

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