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PM from Barrie today:

Hi. Sorry for delay in replying but have eventually unearthed photos with descriptions of the area presumably Bangalore. Not that they help in the way of getting there but a bit of background. Thank you so very much for your attempts to unravel the mystery but I think it must be lost for ever unless I can get the Wilson connections to reply.. Tried several ways in the past but no response through Genes Reunited.



Delighted to help, Barrie, and sorry we couldn't solve the puzzle for you.
Good luck!

Barrie -

You mentioned P&O.

P&O didn't have an "Arcadian", but did have a couple of "Arcadia" s.
The first was built 1888, but I can't find any info about her.
The second was built 1953 - too late for Eleanor to have sailed on, if she was in an Eventide Home in 1936.

https://www.revolvy.com/page/SS-Arcadia


Re "Arcadian" specifically;
https://www.revolvy.com/page/SS-Arcadian

Was used for a time under another name, by the companies which later merged to become P&O. But was sunk in 1917.

If the compact did belong to Eleanor, maybe it was a gift from someone else who had sailed on the ship, rather than Eleanor herself.

If Eleanor was personally on "Arcadian" it must have been between 1911 and 1915, when the ship was taken over by the Admiralty for war purposes.
But the ship was RMS Arcadian at that time, not SS Arcadian (per the link above).

PM from Barrie:


My Cousin's widow in Scotland says trinket is silver tortoise shell compact with " SS Arcadian" on it and thought it was the gift of the Captain. The Wilson family were quite extensive in the coffee planters numbers I've read. In the ranks of those people mentioned on the marriages mentioned on the marriage register of Bombay cathedral in 1925. Professors,army captains, accountants etc. Regards Barrie

Have you tried contacting any Eventide Homes or similar in Bangalore, in case they have archives, or could tell you where archives might be held?

Chris posted a link earlier - though that seems to be for Catholic-run homes, and the marriage was in an Anglican church. ( Which may or may not matter.)

Also maybe the Eventide Home Association ??
https://tinyurl.com/y7plmoh7

What is the trinket, Barrie?

Does it have any sort of inscription - name of ship, for instance?

Coincidence it is. I found another Nellie with father James in the same area of Birmingham. Handsworth was in registration of West Bromwich at this time. Could the Aberdeen company have had a regular service to Bombay and Australia with a departure nearer to the 1925 wedding date? Can't explain existance of trinket from P &O ship except that it was kept in a box containing other things Nellie could have sent. It was purported to have been given to her by the Captain of the ship.

Is this the same Nellie , with husband Enock, and an Emma ?


Nellie Nock
in the Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930
Name: Nellie Nock
Arrival date: 3 Jul 1922
Arrival Port: Albany
Departure Port: London
Vessel Name: Demosthenes

And the same Nellie coming back, with husband Enoch and son Joseph, heading to an address in West Bromwich:

Nellie Nock
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Nellie Nock
Arrival Age: 49
Birth Date: abt 1899
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival date: 1 Jan 1948
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney; Melbourne; Adelaide; Fremantle; Colombo; Bombay; Aden and Port Said
Ship Name: Stratheden
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 165614


Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Nock Enoch Whitworth W. Bromwich 6b 2088
Whitworth Nellie Nock W.Bromwich 6b 2088

Unless this is a coincidence and it's another Nellie Nock, her age is wrong and she's married.

First name(s) Nellie
Last name Nock
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 23
Birth year 1899
Marital status M
Occupation H'WIFE
Departure year 1922
Departure day 27
Departure month 5
Departure port London
Destination port Brisbane
Destination BRISBANE
State Queensland
Country Australia
Destination country Australia
Ship name Demosthenes
Ship official number 129362
Ship master's first name A D
Ship master's last name YOUNG
Shipping line THE ABERDEEN
City LONDON
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship square feet 1152
Ship registered tonnage 7034
Number of passengers 749
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Australasia
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

Found departure London 1922 on ship to Australia not named. Entry is under Nellie. Not mentioned in official shipping lists. P&O did a service to Australia calling at Bombay at this time alternately with one to Bombay only.

Barrie Cross. Son of Elsie,Nellie' s sister married to Edward Cross

1911 census shows her as a Schoolmistress, could this be the capacity in which she went to India?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 John St Aston Birmingham, Aston Manor, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
James Nock Head Married Male Engineering Blacksmith 57 1854 Salop Wellington
Elizabeth Nock Wife Married Female - 57 1854 Salop Shifnal
Eleanor Nock Daughter Single Female Assistant School Mistress 29 1882 Salop Wellington
Elsie Nock Daughter Single Female House Duties 23 1888 Salop Wellington
William Nock Son Single Male Turner Egnineering 21 1890 Salop Wellington
Howard Nock Son Single Male Silversmith Polisher 17 1894 Staffordshire Handsworth
Gladys Nock Daughter - Female School 13 1898 Staffordshire Handsworth

Just putting up what I find whilst looking for what you want
??
British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription
Original has Johnson - no T

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Vaux
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 5 May 1851
Spouse's first name Charles
Spouse's last name Johnston
Place Agra
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 23
Bride's age 14
Groom's father's first name Frederick
Groom's father's last name Johnston
Bride's father's first name Thomas
Bride's father's last name Vaux
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-79
Folio number 329
Entry number

Married at Church of Saint Paul Civil Lines
Charles is a Bugler Foot Artillery. Both resident in Agra
Fathers - Frederick Johnson and Thomas Vaux

Eleanor Elizabeth Lee Nock.
Thanks for very prompt replies confirming my basic information. Arrival and death details still a mystery

?? British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

First name(s) John
Last name Wilson
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 6 Jun 1866
Spouse's first name Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Johnson
Place Lahore
Presidency Bengal
Groom's father's first name Samuel
Groom's father's last name Wilson
Bride's father's first name Thomas
Bride's father's last name Vaux
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-116
Folio number 89
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages

Both of full age, Elizabeth is a widow.
John works for the Grand Punjab Railway and lives in Lahore at time of marriage - Elizabeth of ?Meean Meer
Fathers - Samuel Wilson and Thomas Vaux
Witnesses - J Ryan Sgt Major and MArgaret Ryan
Married by Banns by James Kilbee Stuart MA Chaplain of Lahore at Meean Meer

?? Would look to be Samuel Joseph Wilson - age fits that at marriage and death

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Samuel Joseph
Last name Wilson
Birth year 1872
Birth date 21 Sep 1872
Baptism year 1872
Baptism date 8 Nov 1872
Place Lahore
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Wilson
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-1-142
Folio 38
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal

Image shows Father was a Guard on the Railways - ?S, P & D Railway. Baptised by Edward G Davis M.A. Railway Chaplain at the Railway Church, Lahore

WILSON. Samuel Joseph WILSON, born in Bangalore (?) 1872, Sep 21. He
died in Bangalore in 1947, May. Samuel was a coffee grower and owned the
Kulhutty Coffee Estate in the Nilgiris Hills outside of Banglore,
Southern India. We believe the plantation is now called Manjushree
Plantations. Family lore has it that Samuel?s father came to India with
the British Army and that he was from Edinburgh, Scotland. This would
probably have been in the 1850/60s. Samuel had two other siblings ?
Margaret WILSON, who married Clifford George DENTON (Ada?s brother).
Margaret had a daughter Doris who married George SPENCE in Jamshedpur.
Samuel?s brother was Robert WILSON who had a daughter Jessie whose married
name was THOMPSON. For Samuel, I am looking to confirm his birth place
and parentage. I also want to confirm the British Army connection.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2005-01/1106328612

Chris :)

(would that be him above?, from google search) (Kalhatty/Kalhatti?)


Edits (his first Marriage was to Ada Gertrude Denton, India, looks to tie in with info.on above about him)


http://www.bangalorearchdiocese.com/?page_id=601

(has Eventide Home)

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

First name(s) Samuel Joseph
Last name Wilson
Birth year 1873
Death date 11 May 1947
Death year 1947
Age 74
Burial date 12 May 1947
Place Bangalore,St John
Presidency Madras
Archive Reference N-2-175
Folio -
Page 402
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Other info from image - Retired planter died of Congestive heart failure.
Buried by Malcolm Salisbury, Clerk in Holy Orders at Kulpully Cemetery

Doesn't say whether married or widower

Above, my aunt, born 10.3 1882 St.Georges Shropshire moved to Handsworth, Birmingham, about 1892 still there 1901 and1911 unmarried. Married Samuel Joseph Wilson coffee planter,Bombay Cathedral 30.1.1925. How did she get there- nothing in Shipping Lists and India office cannot help. Did she see an advert in the paper for lady to marry a coffee planter. Lived in Bangalore area at Hoskhan (?) at least to 1936. Last remembered address Eventide Home Bangalore. How can I find where and when she died. She was very homesick in 1936 as remarked in a book she sent me for my 9th birthday. Probable contacts through Genes Reunited not responding. Barrie Cross