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Mary – thanks for working out who lived in Ilkeston Road. Catherine, not Florence

Greyghost - So Robert Armienson might have been born Robert Armienston Walters, then dropped his mother’s surname when she married?
…

The Armienson/Swift marriage does help to exclude some of the births.

Aside from Edna M b 1915, we’re left with

Robert Sylvester 1907 West Derby Lancs (He’s not on Lancsbmd)
William Wilfred West Derby 1908
Ellen 1910 West Derby, Lancs

It’s a pity LancsBMD doesn’t show mmn.

Nellie/Ellen dies Nottingham 1939 – on the 1939 register she’s listed as a Patient so no help in identifying her family.
William Wilfred dies Nottingham 1917
Robert Sylvester died W Derby 1907

The ones still living in 1911 are still missing from the census, even using a wide search.

Perhaps we’ll never know where they hid.

Thank you for your excellent efforts

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) ROBERT
Last name ARMIEINSON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1888
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ROBERT ARMIEINSON married one of these people
MARY ANN LEWIS, CATHERINE WALTERS
District NOTTINGHAM
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 496A

TWM Walters - no Father named

Nottinghamshire baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Thomas William
Last name Walters
Birth year 1877
Birth date 15 May 1877
Baptism year 1878
Baptism date 12 Jun 1878
Denomination Anglican
Church St John the Baptist
Baptism place Beeston
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name Walters

James A Walters also has the Armienson name

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) JAMES ARMEINSON
Last name WALTERS
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 254

This looks to be the Catherine Arminson from the 1911 census in 1891. Note name of husband is Robert.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ossington Street, Radford, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Arminson Head Married Male 54 1837 Corporation Labourer Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Catherine Arminson Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Ripley, Derbyshire, England Transcription
T W M Walters Son Single Male 14 1877 Toy Maker Beeston, Nottinghamshire, England
R A Walters Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Nottinghamshire, England
Jas A Walters Son Single Male 3 1888 - Nottinghamshire, England
Marion Whitehall Lodger Single Female 35 1856 Paper Bag Maker Derby

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So this birth would fit R A Walters

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) ROBERT ARMIENSON
Last name WALTERS
Birth year 1884
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 283

The one above seems to be Mrs Catherine Armienson widow a green grocer of 267 Ilkeston Road Notts born in Derbyshire.It says Catrine born @ 1856 in Ripley Derbyshire.
1902 137 Alfreton Road Catherine Armienson Fish Monger

Catherine Armienson widow born 1858 died 1943,of 27,Pine Street Old Radford probate to James Armienson caster.£276 5s 5d

Edna May Coddington/Armienson born 21/3/1915 died June 1994 she married Leonard Hollingworth

There is also a James Armienson born Radford @ 1887 married Gertrude Swift 1914.

Maryb.

Possibly.

Did find this on the 1911 summary books but can't work out how to check if its the right for Florence

Name: Armienson Mrs
Number of Females: 2
Household schedule number: 35
Street address: 267 Ilkeston Road
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Radford All Souls
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Residence Year: 1911
Registration district: Nottingham
Registration District Number: 430
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South West
Sub-Registration District Number: 1
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 1228

????

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
ARMIENSON Ellen W. Derby 8b 582

Thanks - just found that. Also on FMP a record of his death says age 28, so born c1887

Not that it helps.....

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Armienson Edna M Thacker Nottingham 7b 619

Birth reg 1885 in Nottingham, Florence married Robert Armienson in Nottingham in 1905.

He died in Mauritious on 9 Feb 1915.
Florence remarried 2Q 1915 - she didn't hang around, did she?
I've no idea when Robert was born, although the limited Military Records do say Radford, Nottingham.
His Effects does say to wife 'And children'.

Please can anyone find either Florence or Robert in 1911 please? The surname does appear to have been mucked about a bit.