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My goodnesss Isaac!! How many times does someone want to changed their age?! Lol!

I think that William James is probably Alice's brother or a relation of Alice (remember Alice's maiden name was James)

If that's correct,(ie - that Stephen and Rose Emma were his parents) then Isaac was indeed born 1841, as per the New Forest birth record posted earlier, which includes Lyndhurst

BUT this census says he was born in Southampton (still, that's just beside Lyndhurst).


Stephen Witt
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Stephen Witt
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose E Witt
Gender: Male
Where born: Breamore, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Southampton All Saints
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Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 1669
Folio: 707
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Witt 30
Rose E Witt 30
Henry Witt 2
Isaac Witt 3 Mo
Thomas Dowling 28
Caroline Dowling 26
Emily Dowling 4
Mary Ingram 12

This looks to be Isaac in 1891 (he was a Gardener on 1901 & 1911)

Name: Isaac Witt
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Minstead, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: Ascension
Town: Clapham
County/Island: London
strict: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 444 Folio: 122 Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Witt 48 Gardener

Ernest Frank Witt in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Ernest Frank Witt
Year: 1938
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Battersea
Street address: 64 Henley Street

With Lily May Elizabeth Witt

That's a bit age gap between Alice and Isaac! Wow.

And Alice remarried Thomas but who is living with them? William C James 04 Nov 1866 Male Barman Widowed?

Thank you - you lot have the patience of saints!! Haha.

Okay will add Isaac and Alice to the tree. I did find on another website Ernest Frank Witt 1906 with Isaac and Alice as his parents and Isaac parents are Stephen Witt and Rose Emma Warner.

On his death his birth is c 1847:

First name(s) ISAAC
Last name WITT
Gender Male
Birth year 1847
Age 65
Death quarter 1
Death year 1912
District WANDSWORTH
County London
Volume 1D Page 669

I wonder if Isaac also adjusted his age downward, because of marrying a much younger wife?!

And this is Alice Maud's baptism (the date matches the 1939 register- although she made herself a little older, probably as her husband was older than her):

First name(s) ALICE MAUD
Last name JAMES
Birth year 1872
Birth day 11
Birth month Jul
Baptism year 1872
Baptism day 11
Baptism month Aug
Place PEMBROKE DOCK, GARRISON
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's first name(s) Henry
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales

Yes!

This is Ernest Frank's mum after she remarried (mistranscribed).

1939:

Coulder Household (3 People) 44 Plough Road , Battersea, London, England

Thomas Coulder 23 Apr 1864 Male Tailor Married 45 1
Alice (M) Casslder 11 Jul 1867 Female Unpaid Domestic D Married
William C James 04 Nov 1866 Male Barman Widowed

Yes that's correct, Natasha.

Isaac's a bit of a mystery too.

Per 1911 census posted earlier, and also 1901 (posted below) Isaac was born in Lyndhurst, Hants, c1849.

This is the only Isaac Witt birth in the right reg district, but 8 years too early
Births Mar 1841 (>99%)
Witt Isaac New Forest 8 190

There are a couple of Isaac Witt births in Hampshire in 1849, but wrong district (Fordingbridge):


Isaac Witt
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Isaac Witt
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Witt
Birth Place: Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Wandsworth Common
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Southwest Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 459
Folio: 70
Page Number: 33
Household schedule number: 196
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Witt 52
Alice Witt 28


I don't see him before 1901.

I am sooooo confused.

So Alice Maud and Isaac Witt had Ernest Frank Witt? Who had a son called Ernest Henry Albert Witt? They all lived in London.

Alice Maud James born 1872 Pembroke Dock married Isaac Witt.

Isaac died in 1912 and Alice Maud, his wife, remarried to Thomas Caulder in 1922:

They are on the electoral roll 1927 living at 44 Plough Road, Wandsworth with Ernest Frank Witt.

Haha, the man who did the tree just rang - it's all wrong! He never even noticed the Witts became Witt so we don't believe it is correct at all. Of course Ernest Frank Witt is correct as he is my great grandfather but I think you guys are right in saying his mother was Alice Maud and father was Isaac Witt. So will follow that road instead and delete everything. I thought it was those two in the first place but then I deleted it all because I thought this man was correct but he's not so attempted number three!!

Do you have Ernest F and Lily's marriage cert (posted earlier), to be sure of EF's father's name?

The only Ernest F Witt born in London (per Freebmd) is the one born in 1906, son of Isaac and Alice Maud.


There's an Ernest Frank Witts born in Wales, but presumably that's not him.

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Witts Ernest Frank Pontypridd 11a 552

Oh definitely possibly some info is wrong but we know for a fact there is my grandfather Ernest HA Witt with no S as an only child, his father Ernest Frank Witt. and mother Lily Mallows.

So confusing! I had started my tree going back but then saw this familys tree so deleted my info thinking it was wrong!

I agree with AQ - your tree's wrong.

This is the marriage of the parents of the Ernest Frank Witt who was born in 1906, and who is presumably the one in the 1939 record:

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
James Alice Maude Wandsworth 1d 1004
Witt Isaac Wandsworth 1d 1004


As already said, there is no sign of an Ernest Frank with the family in 1911 (John & Florence's family) - nor earlier (unless somehow he's on the 1891, which I haven't looked for yet, and not on any other census.) Or if he was born after 1911, which seems unlikely.


Also, although not impossible, it seems unlikely that they would name two sons Ernest.

Natasha- I think you need to start your own tree. Don't rely on information from other peoples' trees.

Records are a lot easier to follow than a few years ago. Lots of people made more mistakes in the past when compiling their trees.

Me too!!

:-D