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We have no evidence Henry Thomas's father is William, so unsure why that was there but my great aunt Ann says Henry Thomas mother is Ann because that is who she was named after.

We know 100% that Henry Thomas Carter was born in Faulkland, Somerset in 1908 as I've got his paperwork. Just struggling to get further back.

We strongly believe now that Henry Thomas father is Henry James and Henry James is the son of Fred Carter and Elizabeth Ann.

Henry Thomas has four sisters named Winifred, Gladys, Lucy and Florence. They all have another brother too but he lives in Wales and we don't know his name.

There is a post further up saying Fredrick lived with his granddaughter Winifred so that's good.

But there are posts saying about a Violet and Emily Carter but no one in my family knows anything about them.

I've just spoken to my great Aunt Ann Carter... She says that her father Henry Thomas Carter had Florence, Winifred, Lucy, Gladys and a brother. There was no Violet or Emily. Sooooo confused.

Natasha - what is your source for Henry Thomas Carter's parents being William and Ann?

If you go back to the basics, this is the only UK birth for Henry Thomas Carter in the correct time frame

Births Jun 1908   (>99%)
Carter  Henry Thomas    Frome  5c 392   

To be absolutely sure of the facts, you should order a copy of his BC from GRO

Dorset Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Henry Thomas
Last name Carter
Sex Male
Marital status Single
Age 22
Birth year 1908
Marriage year 1930
Marriage date 27 Sep 1930
Marriage place Longfleet
Father's first name(s) Henry James
Father's last name Carter
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Florence
Spouse's last name Scorer
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's marital status Single
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's birth year 1911
Spouse's father's first name(s) Herbert George
Spouse's father's last name Scorer
County Dorset
Country England
Record set Dorset Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

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The marriage does match the 1939 Register

Carter Household (2 People) 24 Coles Avenue,Hamworthy , Poole M.B., Dorset, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mary F Fisher (Carter) 28 Aug 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 108
Henry T Carter 19 Apr 1908 Male Lorry Driver Married 108

+ 3 closed records
Mary is shown with the surname as Fisher as that's the name her death was registered in. Carter was the surname she was known by in 1939

Bringing forward the marriage posted earlier by PricklyHolly. Is this not correct?

Henry Thomas Carter in the England, Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910
Name: Henry Thomas Carter
Gender:Male
Birth Date: 1908
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1930
Marriage Place: Longfleet, Longfleet, Dorset, England
Marriage Age: 22
Father: Henry James Carter
Spouse: Mary Florence Scorer

You did say that he married a Mary Fisher/Scorer

I'm confused because in our records we think Henry Thomas Carter's father was William Carter and he was married to Ann Carter.

OK - what a shame!

Who does your relative name as his father on his MC? If you don't already have it, you need to order a copy from the gro
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

EDIT Forget that. the marriage was posted early

Thanks for all the replies. All a bit confusing as I believe there is another Carter family that is not related to us. Henry Gas Carter the widower and the children Emily, Violet Carter etc are not relatives of ours.

My Henry Charles Carter married Mary Scorer/Fisher/Carter and had Graham, Malcolm and Ann. Then Graham married Esther Ryan who are my grandparents.

Marriage to Johanna

John
Last name Blatchford
Marriage year 1817
Marriage date 26 Jun 1817
Parish Harberton
Place Harberton
Spouse's first name(s) Joanna
Spouse's last name Colton
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages

Both of this parish. Fathers weren't named or occupations given until Sep 1837.
Witnesses Wm Parnell & Wm? Hosking

John's burial?
John
Last name Blatchford
Age 85
Birth year 1790
Death year 1875
Burial year 1875
Burial date 10 Mar 1875
Denomination Anglican
Burial place Harberton (abode Blue Post)
County Devon
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 333A/PR/1/14
Record set Devon Burials

Both from Findmypast

Possibly John Blatchford, the father of Elizabeth Blatchford


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cider House, Harberton, Totnes, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Blatchford Male 51 1790 Devon, England (Publican)
Johanna Blatchford Female 48 1793 Devon, England
Fanny Blatchford Female 23 1818 Devon, England
Susanna Blatchford Female 15 1826 Devon, England
Jane Blatchford Female 10 1831 Devon, England
Mary Blatchford Female 8 1833 Devon, England
Zipporah Blatchford Female 5 1836 Devon, England
Henry Blatchford Male 4 1837 Devon, England

The 1841 doesn't give relationships or full places of birth. Ages are rounded - the age of persons over 15 was supposed to be rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5.

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Prickles. :-)

Parent's marriage? From FMP

Thomas
Last name Hannaford
Age Of Full Age
Birth year -
Marriage year 1845
Marriage date 15 Apr 1845
Place Harberton
Residence Harberton
Father's first name Richard
Father's last name Hannaford (occ Labourer)
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Blatchford
Spouse age Of Full Age
Spouse's residence Harberton
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Blatchford (occ publican)
County Devon
Denomination Anglican
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 333A/PR/1/10

Thomas' baptism
Thomas
Last name Hanaford
Birth year 1820
Birth date 02 Jan 1820
Baptism year 1820
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Harberton
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's occupation Labourer
Mother's first name(s) Grace
Residence Little Englebourne
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Baptisms

Working back from 1911 census for Lucy (Hannaford) Anstis


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Station Road South Brent S Devon, South Brent, Devon, England

George Anstis Head Married Male Domestic Gardener 59 1852 Ugborough Devon
Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female Monthly Nurse 59 1852 Harberton Devon
Dorothy Anstis Daughter Single Female - 17 1894 Rattery Devon
Richard Anstis Son Single Male Aprentice Butcher 15 1896 Rattery Devon

Married 34 years. 14 children born to this marriage, 9 still living

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leterburn Street, Ugborough, Totnes, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Anstis Head Married Male 29 1852 Iron Miner Ugborough, Devon, England
Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Harberton, Devon, England
Thomas Edwards Anstis Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Harberton, Devon, England
Annie Elizabeth Anstis Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Ugborough, Devon, England
Lucy Jane Anstis Daughter Single Female 6mths 1881 - Ugborough, Devon, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Village, Rottery, Rattery, Totnes, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Anstis Head Married Male 49 1852 Gardener Domestic Ugborough, Devon, England
Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Harberton, Devon, England
William Anstis Son Single Male 18 1883 Officer Servant Royal Navy Rattery, Devon, England
Ellen Car Anstis Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Rattery, Devon, England
Dorothy Anstis Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Rattery, Devon, England
Richard Anstis Son Single Male 5 1896 - Rattery, Devon, England
Thomas Hannaford Father-In-Law Widower Male 81 1820 Ordinary Agricultural Labourer Harberton, Devon, England


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Garden Cottage, Mill Cross, Rattery, Totnes, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Anstis Head Married Male 39 1852 Gardeners Labourer Ugborough, Devon, England
Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Harberton, Devon, England
Annie Anstis Daughter - Female (age could be 12) Ugborough, Devon, England
Florence Anstis Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Modbury, Devon, England
Charlie Anstis Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Modbury, Devon, England
William Anstis Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Rattery, Devon, England
Frank Anstis Son - Male 4 1887 - Rattery, Devon, England
Helen Anstis Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Rattery, Devon, England

Charles Foster Lodger Single Male 26 1865 Stationary Engine Driver Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Joseph Price Lodger Widower Male 63 1828 Carpenter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
William Vivian Lodger Single Male 26 1865 Blacksmith Bodmin, Cornwall, England

Working back from 1911 census for Lucy (Hannaford) Anstis


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Station Road South Brent S Devon, South Brent, Devon, England

George Anstis Head Married Male Domestic Gardener 59 1852 Ugborough Devon
Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female Monthly Nurse 59 1852 Harberton Devon
Dorothy Anstis Daughter Single Female - 17 1894 Rattery Devon
Richard Anstis Son Single Male Aprentice Butcher 15 1896 Rattery Devon

Married 34 years. 14 children born to this marriage, 9 still living

this is probably why George is named as the father on Millie's MC

First name(s) Lucy
Last name Hannaford
Age Of Age
Birth year -
Marriage year 1876
Marriage date 08 Jul 1876
Place Harberton
Residence Harberton
Father's first name Thomas
Father's last name Hannaford
Spouse's first name(s) George
Spouse's last name Anstis
Spouse age Of Age
Spouse's residence Ugborough
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Anstis
County Devon
Denomination Anglican
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 333A/PR/1/10
Record set Devon Marriages

All males described as Labourers. Witnesses Annie Hannaford & S T Anstics??

Millie's birth
MILLIE ELIZABETH
Last name HANNAFORD
Birth year 1874
Birth quarter 1
District TOTNES
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 205

and baptism
Millie Elizabeth
Last name Hannaford
Birth year -
Baptism year 1875
Baptism date 07 May 1875
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Harberton
Mother's first name(s) Lucy
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 333A/PR/1/5
Record set Devon Baptisms
The only parent mentiond on the image is Lucy Haberton, implying that Lucy was a single mother

(from Findmypast)

Frederick G Carter in the 1871 England Census
Name: Frederick G Carter
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Carter
Mother's name: Mary Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Hemington, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Hemington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Frome
Sub-registration district: Kilmersdon

Household Members:

Henry Carter 58 Norton St Philip, Somerset (Agricultural Labourer)
Mary Carter 61 Hardington, Somerset
Frederick G Carter 13


Fredrick Carter in the 1861 England Census
Name: Fredrick Carter
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Carter
Mother's name: Mary Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Faulkland, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Hemington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Frome
Sub-registration district: Kilmersdon

Household Members:

Henry Carter 45 Norton St Philip, Somerset
Mary Carter 49 Hardington, Somerset
Charles Carter 18
John Carter 16
Sarah Carter 10
Emly Carter 7
Fredrick Carter 3
Lydia Carter 5


Henry Carter in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Carter
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Phillips Norton, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Hemington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Household Members:

Henry Carter 37
Mary Carter 42
James Carter 10
Charles Carter 8
John Carter 6
Sarah Ann Carter 9 Mo


Henry Carter in the 1841 England Census
Name: Henry Carter
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Hemington
Hundred: Kilmersdon
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Frome
Sub-registration district: Kilmersdon

Household Members:

Henry Carter 25
Mary Carter 25
George Carter 14
Keziah Carter 9
Mary Carter 7
Henry Carter 5
Hannah Carter 3
James Carter 1

Henry is still alive in 1891........he is with his married daughter Sarah Ann Carter


Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)
CARTER Sarah Ann Westbury W 5a 262
Webb James Westbury 5a 262

Henry Carter in the 1891 England Census
Name: Henry Carter
Age: 80
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton St Phillip, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Beckington
Ecclesiastical parish: Beckington
Town: Rudge
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Frome

Household Members:

James Webb 44
Sarah A Webb 40
Rose Webb 12
Bella Webb 6
Mary A Webb 4
Ellen E Webb 2
Henry Carter 80



Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Carter Henry 81 Frome 5c 408


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