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I wouldn't put too much credence on the electoral roll.

My OH's grandmother was a WW1 widow (he died 1917) and he remained on the next 2 electoral rolls until she remarried and moved address in 1920. She obviously didn't alter it, I don't know how it was run in those days so I don't know why it wasn't altered. It could have happened in this case so keep an open mind on both deaths.

Pauline...I still think you need to think about the Hackney death in q4 1925. You don't know he was deceased by the time of nellie's wedding. It says so on the certificate and Margaret told you so...neither of which makes it the truth. It can't be the 1923 one Chris found because he was on the electoral roll in 1925. I believe electoral rolls were recorded in spring and autumn around the 20s.

I'd speculate on the death certificate to see if there is any clue

Jude

Oh right, lol, confusing to say the least!.

Won't be sure of anything Albert, until you have tried Death Certs.!, below Birth, must be him, otherwise why would he have Archibald on Electoral Roll. At least you can get accurate facts for 'Tree' then.

Births Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Jones Albert Archibald Holborn 1b 736

Chris :)

(also, just out of interest, couldn't see a Birth for Margaret Caton, was she below?)


Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
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CATALANI Margerita Islington 1b 298

(perhaps she is on below also, seems to be a few)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

Sorry Chris, Wrong marriage!
12/7/1925 at the parish church Islington
Ellen Margaret Jones married Charles arthur Johnson, both lived at 3a Parkfield Street, Witness E Johnson (Brother) and John Caton (uncle)
Fathers Leopold Johnson. and Albert Jones (Deceased )

BTW Nellie born 25th December Died 5th November (new how to make an entrance and exit , HA !1

I guess the fact she was always called Nell, as was common at that time. (I have another one as well) Ie Amelia (Jones), being Millie , as we always called her
Albert mystery solved??
But thanks again for your input

Apologies there AQ, didn't see your post!.

I got confused as was going by below (or should I say guessing!) who I thought was the Nel* who Married Jun. qtr. when Albert was said to be deceased...(no idea though, as Ellen Margaret now mentioned by Pauline!)

(from your 1911)
Nellie Jones Daughter - Female - 6 1905 London Islington

(and Pauline saying)
as he was dead by june 1925,. on Nellies mariage Cert

Chris :)


Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
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JONES Nelly Islington 1b 263


Marriages Jun 1925 (>99%)
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Andrews Albert G Jones Islington 1b 427
Jones Nellie Andrews Islington 1b 427


Edits (from Electoral, Ancestry, looks like Alfred Gilbert with Nellie) just noticed they look to have below with them!, 1929 that is, 9, Bevan Street, Islington)


Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
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Day Samuel L Hoy Pancras 1b 29
HOY Millie R Day Pancras 1b 29

St. Wendreda's Church in March, that's where Baptisms took place for George Jones and Mary Ann Dolby.

Chris :)

I hadn't realised who Ellen/Nellie married-

Who were the witnesses on Ellen's Marriage?

Is this your relative?

Birth:
First name(s) ELLEN MARGARET
Last name JONES
Birth year 1905
Birth quarter 1
District ST. OLAVE BERMONDSEY
County London
Volume 1D Page 210

1939:
Johnson Household (2 People) 37 Dryburgh Gardens , Wembley M.B., Middlesex, England
Ellen M Johnson 25 Dec 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Married
Arthur Charles (Charles A) Johnson 22 Jan 1902 Male Jewellrey Salesman Married
3 closed records

AG and Chris
Thanks for your help. I know that Albert was dead at Nellis (Ellen margaret) wedding, as she was my Mother in Law , and she took me to meet Margaret , and the buisness was a family one, which Eddie the youngest , took over, and I am in touch with Albert Jnr daughter, who lived in islington with the families.
Chris , St Wendred Church??
Unfortunately i live some distance from Daughter , and don't get to see very often, and as we have not long come back from a visit, may be a while before i can make it again, but I am spurred on to get the info all in place, and then contact the Cambridge Society again

Find My Past have some March BMD's...(can see yours to start)

March Parish cd can be bought on below, or at their annual Family History Fair.

https://www.cfhs.org.uk/index.cfm?tag=1

(2016 CFHS Family and Local History Fair
Saturday 22nd October 2016 at Girton Primary School)


(there is also below, as you are bordering on 'Fen Country' there, lol)

http://www.fenlandfhs.org.uk/


https://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchsd.cfm

(Cambridgeshire Baptisms/Burials 1801 - 1837)

Chris :)

Happy to help Cambs., but best to get Albert sorted first, probably by getting those Death Certs. posted earlier. Don't rule anything out, I say, lol.

(and you better send daughter to take a photo of St. Wendreda's Church for you!)

Re Albert being listed as deceased on Nellie's marriage cert, I agree that Jude's thought that maybe Albert and Margaret were estranged is a possibility.

That happened in my family.
For years I searched for the death of my gr- grandfather, stated as deceased on his son's 1926 death cert.
Eventually I found him alive and well until 1943, having remarried in 1928 after my gr-grandmother's death.
They seem to have separated in approx. 1900, when she and their children moved to Scotland, while he remained in England.

Hi Chris
i have the FMP info, as I was using that site as well at the time.
As i said it was nearly 10 years ago when I first started!. I have some of the certificates, but not all . Fairly happy with the info I have from back then, but will pursue more I am still sorting through old paper work. i Need to get my filing in order??
Your input has been VERY helpful , I am still discovering ways and means of getting it.The jones are OH's family, and he does not remember too much about them.
Sad that we don't think about our ancestor's until it's too late, and the ones who did know have passed on. I guess future generations will find it even more difficult, with all the re-marriages /half siblings etc. or will they even want to know??
as my daughter lives near March Cambs, and it would appear they may have even come from the same village, makes us more curious.The March library does have a genealogy society , so I may try to get there one day.

(so have you bought both of below Certs. Pauline?, just checking, as quite a few by name of George Jones)

Chris)


Births Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Jones Albert Archibald Holborn 1b 736


Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
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JONES George Haines St Giles 1b 420


(got a feeling you are linking back to below)

1851 (Find My Past)
William Jones Head Married Male 48 1803 Labourer March, Cambridgeshire, England
Sarah Jones Wife Married Female 50 1801 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
George Jones Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Labourer March, Cambridgeshire, England
Emma Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Eliza Jones Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
William Jones Son - Male 16 1835 Wire Drawer Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Susan Dolley Visitor Unmarried Female 20 1831 - March, Cambridgeshire, England (Dolby? perhaps)
Street Vineyard Gardens
Parish Saint James Clerkenwell
County Middlesex
Parliamentary borough Finsbury
Registration district Clerkenwell
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1517
Folio 343
Page 10


1861 (Find My Past)
George Jones Head Married Male 34 1827 Coach Makers Laborer March, Cambridgeshire, England
Mary A Jones Wife Married Female 35 1826 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
George H Jones Son Unmarried Male 2 1859 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Frederick Jones Son - Male 0 1861 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
House number 45
Street James Street
Parish Marylebone
City or borough Marylebone
County London, Middlesex
Parliamentary borough Marylebone
Ecclesiastical district St Thomas
Registration district Marylebone
Enumeration district 10
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 75
Folio number 103
Page number 21


Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
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Dolby Mary Ann Clerkenwell 1b 691
Jones George Clerkenwell 1b 691


(above on Ancestry, London matches Abode as 1851)

(I know not relevant to original query re Albert!, but could be easy to go wrong here, without Certs. to work back from. I can see March Baptisms, Marriages)

Google "family tree chart" and you'll find lots of options.

Here's one:

https://www.familytreetemplates.net/

Hi Chris
I have previously traced the jones back to 1803, when they where in Cambridgeshire, and one george was born there 1829? ish
They moved to London in the early 1830.s so I now have to re-do my tree as part has "got Lost" on GR. At that time I only followed the direct line, ie not included the brothers/sisters, hence the mention of tracing back to Cambs.

I think maybe I should do a separate tree for them.
My next question to all you knowledgeable people is Can I get a blanc tree to fill in manually, anywhere on line??

The names are quite common - lots of Norah M Joneses and Henry Joneses in marriage and death records.

The most fool-proof way to see if their parents were Albert and Margaret would be to buy copies of the birth certs.

Safc
Begin to wonder about the births Norah 1914 and henry 1920, not heard of them. Did they survive into adulthood??
Any way to see if they are correct? Maybe check them out?

(thought George was Soho, as below, haven't checked him back!, now added, later 1881 and others)

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
George H Jones Head Married Male 30 1861 Grocer Soho, Middlesex, England
Mary A Jones Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Soho, Middlesex, England
George H Jones Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Albert A Jones Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Mary A E Jones Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Emily R Jones Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Street Brunswick Close
Parish Clerkenwell
County London
Registration district Holborn
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 229
Folio 99
Page 31

(from other Baptisms on Ancestry, London, Amelia Rosina was Emily above)

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
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JONES Amelia Rosina Holborn 1b 710


1881 (Find My Past)
George H Jones Head Married Male 20 1861 Book Binder & Cutter Middlesex, England
Maryann E Jones Wife Married Female 22 1859 ((Book)) Middlesex, England
George H Jones Son Single Male 1 1880 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
House number 9
Street Noble Street
Parish Clerkenwell
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Holborn
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 350
Folio 21
Page 35

(and above to match Baptism Abode Address of Alfred Archibald)


1901 (Find My Past)
George H Jones Head Married Male 40 1861 Builder's Labourer London, England
Mary A E Jones Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Not Known
Mary A E Jones Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Laundress Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Emily R Jones Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Frederick Jones Son - Male 5 1896 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Henry C Jones Son - Male 2 1899 - Barnsbury, Middlesex, England
Street Hermes Street
Parish Clerkenwell
County London
Municipal ward No 1
Registration district Holborn
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 251
Folio 178
Page 61


1911 (Find My Past)
George Haynes Jones Head Married Male Out Of Work 51 1860 London Soho St James
Anery Ann Jones Wife Married Female - 50 1861 London Islington (Mary on image!)
Fredrick Jones Son Single Male Painter 15 1896 London Islington
Henry Jones Son - Male - 12 1899 London Clerkenwell
Address 14 Pulteney Terrace
Parish Islington
County London
Census reference RG14 PN880 RG78 PN31 RD10 SD5 ED9 SN144
(says Married 31yrs, 6 children born, 6 living)


Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
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JONES George Haines St Giles 1b 420


(Marriage images on Ancestry, London for below)


George Haynes Jones
abt 1879 6 Dec 1903 Katharine Valentina Hederick St Peter, Islington


Mary Ann Elizabeth Jones
abt 1884 22 May 1904 James Thomas Portsmouth St Mark, Myddelton Square
(Amelia Rosina Witness)


Frederick Jones
abt 1896 3 Aug 1919 Lilian Edith Sanders St Mary, Islington
(Father George Haynes Jones, Deceased)


Burial Register summary

Jones George Haynes
Burial date 05 February 1915
London Borough of Islington
Location Islington Cemetery (Islington)


Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Jones George H 55 Islington 1b 267


Where in Cambs. by the way, for George that you have?...


Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Johnston Fanny Ann Thomson St Ives 3b 413
Jones George Haines St Ives 3b 413

(not confusing with above are you?, Hunts/Cambs. border)


All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

Alice Jones
23 Sep 1863 Greenwich St Alphege Greenwich George Haines Jones,
Fanny Ann Thomson Jones
(occ. for him is Gentleman)


All Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 (Ancestry)

George Haines. Jones
College: TRINITY
Entered: Michs. 1856
BORN: 1837
Died:18 Aug 1925
More Information:
Adm. pens. (age 19) at TRINITY, Apr. 15, 1856. [Only] s. of Thomas, of Gloucester Place, Greenwich, Kent. B. [1837], at Southsea, Hants. Matric. Michs. 1856; B.A. 1860; M.A. 1864. Adm. at the Inner Temple, June 5, 1860. Called to the Bar, Nov. 17, 1863. Ord. deacon (Winchester) 1881; priest, 1882; C. of Portsea, Hants., 1881-7. V. of Awbridge, 1887-1908. Died Aug. 18, 1925, at Southsea. (Tonbridge Sch. Reg.; Foster, Men at the Bar; Inns of Court; Law Lists; Crockford; The Guardian, Aug. 28, 1925.)


(Your George Haynes Jones Marriage 1879, has Father George Jones occ. Labourer)


(and just to add, that Daniel Fitzgerald connection, from Electoral)


Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Caton Amelia Phelan Islington 1b 585
Phelan William B Caton Islington 1b 585

Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
FITZGERALD Daniel Phelan Islington 1b 451
Phelan Amelia Fitzgerald Islington 1b 451

AG thank you, I do have a great nephew/niece called MORGAN!

Chris I do have Alberts Mother/Father and Grandfather, and father was George Haybe Jones born in Cambridgeshire, also marriage of GH Jones to Mary Wildman
Nellie Jones (My MIL) cert says albert jones deceased on marriage Cert

Amelia Walker, was Mille Jones , so thanks for that.

it was Alberts death I could not find.and I did get to meet Margaret Caton/Jones/Tobin before she died .
Thank every body for all your help, very grateful , as sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees!
I now have to sort the tree, and hopefully get back to the jones before George Haynes Jones (father also called that) born in Cambridgeshire.
We have found it amazing that the jones originated from Cambridgeshire, as my daughter now lives in the same area, so hope it gets interesting!

P

I'm not really understanding?

Are you saying the 1911 is not correct?

I thought Amelia was Albert and Margaret's daughter, listed as Millie on the 1911. The reference to Walker on the 1939 register suggests she may have married a Mr Walker after 1939. There is this possible:

First name(s) AMELIA
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1940
Spouse: CHARLES WALKER
District ISLINGTON
County London
Volume 1B Page 864
---------------------------------------

This is who was listed at 3a Parkfield Street in 1925 electoral register:

Year: 1925
County or Borough: Islington
Ward or Division/Constituency: Islington
Street address: 3a PARKFIELD STREET

Jack Caton
Amelia Fitzgerald
Daniel Fitzgerald
Joseph John Hodges
Albert Archibald Jones
Margaret Jones
Louisa Sharpe.

------------------------------------------------

Same address 1926:

Jack Caton
Amelia Fitzgerald
Daniel Fitzgerald
Joseph John Hodges
Margaret Jones
Louisa Sharpe
---------------------------------------------------

The same address in 1930:

Jack Caton
Amelia Fitzgerald
Daniel Fitzgerald
Anne Rose
Margaret Tobin
Patrick Tobin

Pauline,

I would look into Austin's findings...the constancy of the address is appealing.

Maybe they had become estranged by the time of Nellie's wedding?

Jude