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Nicola....The following is possibly the one...(AustinQ 17.33)

Name: Countess Luise Helene Henriette von Berchem of Berchem
•Given Name: Countess Luise Helene Henriette von Berchem of
•Surname: Berchem
•Sex: F
•Birth: 31 Jul 1838

She married Maxamilian Feiher Von Oed of Oed

All the children of Sigmund (him of 10 other Christian names!!!) Count of Berchem and Johanna (8 other Christian names !!!) were referred to in their title as Count/Countess....


We also have another name added ...


Eltern (parents)
?Sigmund, Graf von Berchem * 14.11.1792
?Johanna Crescentia Johanna Nepomucena Ascania, Freiin von Kraus * 17.06.1812


Heiraten (Spouse)

?Maximilian, Freiherr von Oed



Titel
?Gräfinen von Berchem

Re the above Louisa Ellen Hutchins: I can't trace her after her entry in the 1851 census where she is a fellow pupil at the Seminary with my ancestor's elder sister. No marriage or 1861 census.

Nicola....Louisa was the daughter Of Samuel Hutchins Landowner (Ireland...)
Don't you recall me sending this....

Samuel fathered 12 children with two wifes. His second daughter (and fourth child) Louisa Ellen (1830-1922) married William Shore Nightingale [1831-1894], cousin of Florence Nightingale; son of Samuel Smith and Mary Shore). She was an artist who left beautiful drawings of Ardnagashel

My computer froze again [see above] and E's post hadn't come through before I forced it to shut down.

I'll go back up the posts now and try to unscramble!

Erin - so now we just have to ponder how my ancestor knew the Countess and how they came to be 'schoolfellows' .........................
:-D

I cannot open Dea's link in her post so am in the dark on that one.

Try again Nicola - it opens every time I try it !!

If not, try copy + pasting it into the URL space on your browser?

Dea x

Nicola...Rosamond may have been referring to her as "schoolfellow" in any context...poetry/writing/art not necessarily from her school days at the academy.
can you post any of the dedication from the book...was it one of the Duke Ernst a Tragedy in five acts..??

Erin, please have a look at my first post for the dedication.
It is in 'The Aarbergs', Volume I.

Dea - I'll try that trick for the link later. Must dash now.
:-D

This is a fascinating thread! :-) :-)

One small thought --- everyone is assuming that the Countess was a "schoolfellow" in Liverpool. Is it not possible that your ancestor spent some time at a finishing school in Austria? You said she spoke fluent German.

Hello Andysmum!

The 'Schoolfellow' at the Ladies Seminary where the author's elder sister went was only a hunch. Both sisters were very well educated and it was a slim chance that the Countess was known via that Seminary/School. Not to be.

I too think that the 'schoolfellow' allusion is to a sort of fellow academic or writer sisterhood kind of thing, and not actually SCHOOL.

Anything is possible! The finishing school hunch will never be proved or disproved which is tantalising because we know so much about these sisters and also their other siblings.

I have a VERY kind - ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh! - contact at the British Library who has looked at all the other books written by Rosamond Hervey for me and sadly none of the others has a dedication. So we only have the COUNTESS LOUISE BERCHEM one to go on.

I am officially a terrier and hope that we can shake something out of this yet. :-D :-D

Forgive the low profile for the next few days - three grandsons under five in residence!!
Bless them. <3 <3

I've resurfaced.

I've been looking at the possibles posted by Dea and AustinQ for Luise Helene Henriette who married Maximillian, etc.

I'm trying to get the dates to match up: she was born in 1838 and the book was written in 1864 when my ancestor refers to her by her maiden name when she would have been aged 26 +/-. Can anyone see the marriage date for her to Max, please??

And can anyone see whether the Berchem title is still in existence today? I'm hitting brick walls.

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I have no idea why there is such a big space at the end of my last above post - GR gremlin, perhaps??

I have just received a HUGE bundle of family papers from across the Pond [can't get away from them!] in which my deceased ancestor has very helpfully added that 'Rosamond Hervey was a talented novelist and poet'.

This is so good because there was more than a moment when we all wondered whether it was 'our' Rosamond Hervey who wrote those books in the first place. We were 99% sure, but now we know it. Done and dusted.

Thank you to all who helped in this fascinating little foray into European aristocracy!!
:-D

And there's more!
In another bunch of papers just arrived is written:-

"Rosamond Hervey. Educated in part in Germany, where she retained many friends. From an early age she was a great reader and developed a well informed interest in political and international affairs. She joined the staff of "The Star" and was the author of several novels and plays and a collection of poems. . . . . President of the Women's Institute in Petersfield. Active in the women's suffrage movement and the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. ............"

Wonderful stuff. We're so lucky to have all this - and more keeps appearing.
:-D

Nicola....I never doubted for a minute she was yours....!!!

What's happening about Christian's Grave...??

Hello Erin; you always track me down!

Rosamond - wonder what 'The Star' was? Any ideas? Over to the guru . . .

Christina/Christian grave - can't seem to get anywhere with that at the moment.

Am off and away tomorrow for a week so radar will be low until my return. One of my cousins is named after said Rosamond [above] and is joining the party on holiday and I'm taking her a copy of the British Library's printing of our ancestor's book with a copy of all our research tucked into it. She'll be thrilled, I know.

:-D

Nicola......Have a wonderful time...I am sure you will....!!
Will search "The Star" for you.....

When I was in London in the 1950's The Star was an evening newspaper. I think it went out of production soon afterwards.

There were probably other local papers called The Star - it was a fairly popular name.

Rosamond was not a London gal at all. She was born in Manchester, spent her 20's and 30's in Cheshire, we know she spent time in Germany, she married in her 50's to a Colonel in the Indian Army and they spent the 1870's - 1890's out in India before returning to the UK to settle in Petersfield, Hampshire.

I don't think that London featured on her radar ............

Worth a try, though. One never knows.

(another Newspaper also)

Chris :)

The Star (1869-1900)

(A general newspaper published on Guernsey that covered local and world news.)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-23110409

(The Star was first published in St Peter Port on 29 June, 1813, with its staff promising to be "the faithful reporters of authorised intelligence")