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Chris Ho :)
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2 Aug 2016 18:48 |
(possibly below Birth for 1877 Baptism I found dated 7th Oct. Abode was Leyton, Walthamstow)
Births Sep 1877 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- COLE Louisa Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 112
Chris :)
(below for Parents of Cert. you have, could be On Ancestry, London Marriages)
Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------- Cole Robert Greenwich 1d 1179 Colley Louisa Greenwich 1d 1179
Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------ BEX James Isaac W. Ham 4a 61 COLE Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 61
(does Isaac John relate to James?, Burial for him on below, 1879 West Ham)
https://www.deceasedonline.com/
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 18:40 |
Ooh, this is not easy. Can't see anything confirmed for Louisa (yet). This is possible death for Sarah in 1916 (she doesn't appear on the military record in 1918 and an Elizabeth Brittle is Guardian of their child Annie:
Death: First name(s) SARAH Last name WILLIAMS Gender Female Birth year 1868 Age 48 Death quarter 2 Death year 1916 District CROYDON County Surrey Volume 2A Page 349
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 18:18 |
malyon- Already posted page 1- under surname Williams
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2 Aug 2016 18:11 |
wonder where edith Winifred new was in the 1901 census cannot find her she would be only 4yrs
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 18:11 |
Nothing to do with Louisa (and you probably already have) but this appears to be Henry (different year of birth- but same birthday and occupation):
British Royal Air Force, Airmen's service records First name(s) Henry George Last name New Birth year 1869 Birth date 13 Jun 1869 Birth county Oxfordshire Occupation Plasterer Attestation year 1918 Attestation date 16 Aug 1918 Attestation age 49 Service number 285790 Record set British Royal Air Force, Airmen's service records 1912-1939 Birth date: 13th June 1869 Wallingford Widower Occupation: Plasterer Child Annie Muriel born 20th June 1909 Eddyscombe Mrs Eliz. Buttle (Guardian of Child) 48 Exeter Road, East Croydon Date current engagement commenced: 16/ 08/ 18 Person to be informed of casualties: AB Victor John New (son- HMS Acton)
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Kevin
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2 Aug 2016 18:03 |
I found a birth cert for Louisa Elizabeth Cole March 1878 Mother name Louisa Colley and father Robert Cole but I am unsure if this is the right one as the birth is Greenwich -Deptford In the 1881 census she appears with her step- brother James Bex for the first time In Leyton as registered as born in Leyton ,She is still registered as Louise Cole.
She then appears with James and his son James in Portsea Island Hampshire in 1891 and her birthplace is Leyton Essex
The 1901 census has her birthplace as unhelpfully 'essex'
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Chris Ho :)
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2 Aug 2016 17:40 |
Any name for Father of Louisa Cole?...
Chris :)
(just wondered as below on Find My Past, would be Herts/Essex way)
Cole Louisa Elizabeth - 1877 Hertfordshire Baptisms Waltham Cross, England
(1877 Oct. 7. Parents, John & Mary. occ. Plasterer. Abode, Leyton, Walthamstow)
Edits (now found 1896 Marriage, Ancestry, Father James Isaac Bex.)
(apologies if already here somewhere, being quick!)
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Kevin
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2 Aug 2016 17:26 |
yep- another score !
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malyon
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2 Aug 2016 17:25 |
is this louisa bex in 1891
Attach to Family Tree
Louisa Bex England and Wales Census, 1891 Name Louisa Bex Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County Hampshire Parish Portsea Ecclesiastical Parish ST MARY Registration District Portsea Island Residence Note Moorland Road Gender Female Age 13 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1878 Birthplace Essex, England Page Number 3 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 858/ 96
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
James Bex Head M 33 Surrey, England Louisa Bex Daughter F 13 Essex, England James Bex Son M 11 Essex, England
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Kevin
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2 Aug 2016 17:21 |
Oh please, this has been bugging me for years. Apparently my granddad said he remembered having her pointed out to him in the street as his 'step mum' - if you could find anything I know my family would be grateful;. Info I have on her is as follows Born Louisa Cole, in 1878 He rname morphed into Cole bex on her marriage cert. This appears to be because something happened and she was then passed to her aunt Mary Ann Cole (widowed) who had married a James Issac Bex . This would explain why Louisa is also known as Louisa Cole-Bex. In the 1881 census she appears with her step- brother James Bex for the first time. She is still registered as Louise Cole she then disappears from records in the 1891 census– James goes on to marry my great granddads sister Louisa so the families were joined by more than one marriage in more than one generation :-(
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 17:14 |
I wonder what happened to Louisa? If I get time I might take a look later- I hate loose ends :)
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Kevin
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2 Aug 2016 17:13 |
thanks all. you star Austin, I think you cracked it. In 1901 Henry lived at 128 Livingstone road so Sarah was a neighbour who lived at 124 so it appears that Henry at some point when Louisa left or died moved in with Sarah and her children and they assumed his name without marrying?
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 17:12 |
aha! this is the birth of Eunice - tying the 1891 & 1901 census:
Name: Bethiah Unius Williams Registration Year: 1887 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Lewisham Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 1142
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 17:09 |
Ann! I think he has the info re Henry
This could be Sarah 1891- although possible child Eunice- now listed as Bithiah?
Name: Sarah Williams Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Jonah Williams Gender: Female Where born: Ashwell, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Lewisham Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges County/Island: London Registration district: Lewisham Sub registration district: Lewisham ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 521 Folio: 186 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Jonah Williams 28 Sarah Williams 23 Bithiah Williams 3 Catford, Kent, England Eliza Williams 2/12 Bessie Holden 16
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AnnCardiff
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2 Aug 2016 17:08 |
Name Henry George New Event Type Census Event Date 1881 Event Place Stoke-Talmage, Oxfordshire, England Registration District Thame Gender Male Age 6 Marital Status (Original) Single Occupation Scholar Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1875 Birthplace Cookley, Oxfordshire, England Page Number 9 Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 1492/85 Affiliate Record Type Household
John New Head M 32 Pishill, Oxfordshire, England Annie New Wife F 33 Draton, Oxfordshire, England Charles New Son M 9 Park Corner, Oxfordshire, England Henry George New Son M 6 Cookley, Oxfordshire, England Emily Mary New Daughter F 4 Wallingford, Berkshire, England Louisa Margaret New Daughter F 2 Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, England
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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2 Aug 2016 17:04 |
not a child Sarah but a child of Sarah who is living as Henrys wife in 1911
i looked for a possible birth for Edith born Croydon and the one surname ward looked likely but 1901 census ruled that one out
seems you already now her surname anyway ie Williams :-)
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 16:59 |
Ann- I think Kevin has all the census for Henry- and 1911 posted above
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AnnCardiff
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2 Aug 2016 16:59 |
Name Henry George New Event Type Census Event Date 1911 County Surrey Parish Croydon Sub-District South Croydon Registration District Croydon Gender Male Age 36 Birthplace Oxford Watlington, Oxfordshire Record Type Household
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AnnCardiff
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2 Aug 2016 16:58 |
Henry G New England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Henry G New Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County Oxfordshire Parish Pishill Ecclesiastical Parish PISHILL Registration District Henley Residence Note Pishill Gender Male Age 16 Occupation General Assistant Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1875 Birthplace Oxfordshire, England Page Number 4 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 1159/ 60
John New Head M 42 Oxfordshire, England Annie New Wife F 43 Oxfordshire, England Henry G New Son M 16 Oxfordshire, England Emily M New Daughter F 14 Berkshire, Wellingford Louisa M New Daughter F 12 Oxfordshire, England
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AustinQ
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2 Aug 2016 16:51 |
Above was just for reference to aid searching.
Sarah, with daughter, Edith in 1901??
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 124, Livingstone Road, Croydon, Surrey, England
Sarah Williams Head Widow Female 33 1868 Laundress Ashwell, Hertfordshire, Eunice Williams Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Catford, Kent, England Sarah Williams Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Catford, Kent, England Edith Williams Daughter - Female 4 1897 - London, England --------------------------------
Edith's birth:
First name(s) EDITH WINIFRED Last name WILLIAMS Birth year 1896 Birth quarter 3 District LAMBETH County London Volume 1D Page 324 --------------------------------------------------------
There is no record of marriage for Sarah and Henry- it looks as though they were living as man and wife- one or both were probably still married.
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