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Kevin you can view the original 1907 passenger list on familysearch.org (as well as Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit 1909- and many other documents relating to this family)

Thank you Mary- this is fantastic

Liverpool to Quebec arrived on ship Lake Champlain on 19/5/1907
James C Mowbray
Louise
James
Reginald.

Maryb

Mary!! That's fantastic, and ties it all together nicely

Hold on- Let me just slow down a minute- think I need a tea! Yes Reginald was born in Newport- just found his birth:

First name(s) REGINALD WILLIAM T
Last name MOWBRAY
Birth year 1902
Birth quarter 2
District NEWPORT (MONMOUTHSHIRE)
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A Page 231

I'll be back in a minute!

Son James Charles Mowbray born 31/8/1903 Drayton Shropshire married in USA 2/7/1927 says parents were James C Mowbray and Louise Bex,he married Marion Agnes Jeavons.

Maryb

AustinQ do you have the complete passenger list did James Issac travel with the other children?

So Louisa already had Reginald and James in the UK?

I don't think she did marry Mowbray- Just like Henry G didn't marry his partner Sarah.

this raises more questions
2 potential emmigration dates 1904 and 1909?
when did she marry James Moabray? ( were those children his?)
So she married yet again in 1946

What happened to Henry George? did they divorce or was she a bigamist? :-0

In AustinQ 10:50 it states on the Social Security document that Louisa Elizabeth Mowbray nee Cole's place of birth was ' Leighton Sto, UK', there is a place called Leytonstone which is next to Leyton the place given on the Baptism in AustinQ's 10:20 Post.

Yes - Louisa was travelling with James and children:

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963
Name: Louise Mowbray
Gender: Female
Age: 31
Nationality: English
Birth Date: abt 1878
Birth Place: Leyton Ess, England
Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1909
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Departure Contact: Mother Mary Cole
Accompanied by: Son Reginald Wm; Son James Charles
Arrival Contact: Husband Jas Mowbray
Mother: Mary Cole
Spouse: Jas Mowbray

I'm just trying to find the birth of Reginald and James.
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Oh, and re the death certificate for James- death certificates are often slightly out as they rely on the information of others. I am pretty certain it's correct.

OMG Austin Q you are brilliant!

Thanks again- gosh this is getting interesting
Austin - yes I have the marriage cert for James Issac and Mary Ann- Mary Ann is listed as full age and a widow- father Thomas Brown

so this all fits EXCEPT in the death record it has James's fathers name as James and it isnt it is John Issac- cvould this be a misprint?
I will order a new birth cert for Louisa see if this is the one.

It seems then that maybe Louisa did move to the US - that must have been after 1901 but before 1911- have you any emmigration records / sailing records Austin Q ?

1910:

Name: Louisa E Moabray
[Louisa E Mowbray]
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Detroit Ward 1, Wayne, Michigan
Street: Warren Ave 3
Immigration Year: 1909
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: James C Moabray
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Attended School: No
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 12
Number of Children Born: 6<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Number of Children Living: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
James C Moabray 32
Louisa E Moabray 33
Reginald Moabray 8
Jamie C Moabray 6
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1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Louise E Mowbray
Birth Year: abt 1877
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Homemaker?: Yes
Home in 1930: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Street address: Newport Street
Ward of City: 21
Block: 1825
Institution: Sherndon Apartment
House Number in Cities or Towns: 1025
Dwelling Number: 157
Family Number: 25
Age at First Marriage: 21
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Immigration Year: 1904
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
James C Mowbray 54
Louise E Mowbray 53
Reginald Mowbray 27
James C Mowbray 26
Marjory Mowbray 19
Marion Mowbray 13

I think I've found Louisa!! Under the name Mowbray?? Need to check but seems to fit:

Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Louise Elizebeth Mowbray
[Louise Elizebeth Cole]
SSN: 377280684
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1877
Birth Place: Leighton Sto, United Kingdom
Father: John Cole
Mother: Mary A Brown
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Jul 1946: Name listed as LOUISE ELIZEBETH MOWBRAY
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Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952
Name: Louise E Mowbray
[Louise E Cole]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birth Place: London, England
Marriage Date: 26 Nov 1946
Marriage Place: Brighton, Livingston, Michigan, USA
License County: Livingston
Age: 69
Residence Place: Hamburg, Michigan
Father: John Cole
Mother: Mary Brown
Spouse: John A Barbrake
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A divorce is granted for this couple in 1950

So- is it possible that Louisa also travelled to the US?

This seems to confirm that Mary was married previously:

Christening:
Name: Louisa Elizabeth Cole
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1877
Baptism Place: Waltham Cross, Hertford, England
Father: John Cole (plasterer)
Mother: Mary
Abode: Leyton, Walthamstow

I think by getting the correct birth certificate for Louisa Elizabeth Cole- it might help you further.
Do you have James Isaac Bex marriage certificate to Mary Ann Cole?

I wonder if Mary was listed as a widow?

Below is just a possible theory- but would need either James marriage certificate or Louisa's birth certificate:

Possible first marriage for Mary Ann:

Name: Mary Ann Brown
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Age: 19
Spouse: John Cole (Plasterer/ Full age)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Sep 1872
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Brown (Gardener)
Spouse Father: William Thomas Cole (deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Thomas Brown & Emma Edwards
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Her husband John Cole possibly dies in 1877 (Mary may have been pregnant with daughter Louisa- it's also possible that Mary conceived Louisa after her husband's death:

Name: John Cole
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a Page: 55
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Mary then marries James Isaac Bex and they travel to the US c1910.
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Possible death for Mary:

Michigan, Death Records, 1867-1950

Name: Mary Bex
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: Nov 3 1855
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 27 Nov 1916
Death Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Age: 61
Father: Thomas Brown <<<<<<<<(Matches father on first marriage)
Husband: James Bex
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So- possible Christening for Mary:

Name: Mary Ann
[Mary Ann Brown]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1856
Baptism Place: St. Peters, Walthamstow, Essex, England
Father: Thomas Brown
Mother: Emma
FHL Film Number: 1564166
Reference ID: 2:X7W3RL

Chris- I'm not sure that's the correct death for Mary Ann Bex (That death could be for the Mary Ann that was the wife of Edward Bex).

It looks like she and James went to the US/ Canada in 1910.

United States, Canadian Border Crossings Transcription
name(s) James Bex
Sex Male
Age 50
Birth year 1860
Birth country England
Occupation: Plasterer
Travelling with wife- Mary Bex 52
Event Immigration
Year 1910
Date 1910
State Vermont
Country United States
Source (M1464) Manifests of Passengers Arriving in the St. Albans, VT, District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic Ports
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James remarried in Essex, Ontario Canada in 1919 to (Lucy) Hannah Carter. He was listed as a widower.

Name: James Isaac Bex
Age: 61
Birth Year: abt 1858
Birth Place: London, England
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1919
Marriage Place: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Widower. Occ: Plasterer
Father: John Bex
Mother: Elizabeth Green
Spouse: Lucy Hannah Carter
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He died 1936 Chicago, Illinois:

Name James I. Bex
Birth Date 25 Oct 1858
Birth Place London, England
Death Date 16 Jan 1936
Death Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date 18 Jan 1936
Burial Place Maine, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name Ridgewood
Death Age 77
Occupation Plasterer
Race White
Marital Status M
Residence Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name James Bex
Father Birth Place London, England
Mother Birth Place London, England
Spouse Name Anna Bex
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(is this Mary Ann from 1911)

Chris :)

Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
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Bex Mary A 64 Richmond S. 2a 1200


Deceased name Mary Ann Bex
Date of Burial 12/11/1918
Gender Female
Age 64 Years
Date of death Unknown
Location East Sheen Cemetery
Section F
Grave 279

http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/lbrburials/(S(hrfb4mmftlnab1kvam0wk2ww))/Search.aspx

Excellent- I never had those records AustinQ- I think I will need a trip to the National Archives to get them. Its interesting because Henry was registered at 48 Exeter Road as resident from 1917-1924 - this would fit with Sarah's death in 1916- I wonder if Elizabeth was his next partner?

Chris thanks- I think the W Ham Louisa Cole is more likely to be her so maybe I had the wrong birth certificate?Yes the Bex and Cole marriage I had- I think John Issac Bex was James Bex's father

this is really exciting- thanks :-D