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Name Alice Meadowcroft
Gender Female
Age 21
Birth Year abt 1908
Birth Country England
Date of Arrival 3 Feb 1929
Vessel Doric
Port of Arrival Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure Liverpool, England



Alice Meadowcroft......... Death
17 Oct 1976 • Tay, Simcoe, Ontario Canada

Fact Details
1929
Spouse
George Lisle Pownall
1903–1993


Parents

George MEADOWCROFT
1864–1927

Mary Alice FITTON
1873–1934





Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name George Liale Pownall
Gender Male
Age 21
Birth Year abt 1904
Birth Country England
Date of Arrival 28 Apr 1925
Vessel Megantic
Port of Arrival Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure Liverpool, England





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Name Alice Meadowcroft
Gender Female
Age 21
Birth Year abt 1908
Birth Country England
Date of Arrival 3 Feb 1929
Vessel Doric
Port of Arrival Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure Liverpool, England



Alice Meadowcroft......... Death
17 Oct 1976 • Tay, Simcoe, Ontario Canada

Fact Details
1929
Spouse
George Lisle Pownall
1903–1993


Parents

George MEADOWCROFT
1864–1927

Mary Alice FITTON
1873–1934





Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name George Liale Pownall
Gender Male
Age 21
Birth Year abt 1904
Birth Country England
Date of Arrival 28 Apr 1925
Vessel Megantic
Port of Arrival Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure Liverpool, England


Dea Xxx

I think they've got the wrong wife for George.

But can't prove it .

I think they have too AG - will come back in the morning !!

Dea Xxx

This seems to be the one:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1929
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FITTON Mary A KNOTT Frank Oldham, Union Street Methodist Church Oldham AP320/4/105

Dea x

This throws a spanner in the works ??

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1928
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
POWNALL George LISLE Elizabeth Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/185/143

Dea Xxx

Are you misreading it, Dea?

Lisle is the wife's surname in that marriage, not that George's middle name

George Lisle went to Canada in 1925, and presumably married Alice in Canada, if the tree's correct.

Mrs Alice Pownall
in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Mrs Alice Pownall
Gender: Female
Occupation: Retired
Year: 1974
Location: Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
Electoral District: Simcoe North

Listed with George, supervisor

Also listed there for a number of years before.

I probably am AG - I think that this is her going out ??????????
Name Alice Meadowcroft
Gender Female
Age 21
Birth Year abt 1908
Birth Country England
Date of Arrival 3 Feb 1929
Vessel Doric
Port of Arrival Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure Liverpool, England


And him a little earlier??

Dea Xxx

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name George Liale Pownall
Gender Male
Age 21
Birth Year abt 1904
Birth Country England
Date of Arrival 28 Apr 1925
Vessel Megantic
Port of Arrival Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure Liverpool, England

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I can confirm that Alice Meadowcroft who went to Canada is mine. She married George Pownall and my mother (Walter's daughter) remembers their son visiting from Canada during WW2 (he came to visit her in school).
I have only this week found out about Ernest - but I feel that he may be the reason that Alice went to Canada later on.
I'm off to find the death certificate of Alice/Mary Alice to see if she is the one I want. I'm not convinced that she and George were ever married. It may be the reason that the family was split up after she died - no-one else in the family wanted to look after them?
I'm also going to try and find more about Ernest's life in Canada and if he survived WWI.
Walter went on to get married and have my mother, Doreen, and son Harry. But he had mental trouble all his life. He received electric shock treatment and never appears to be fit afterwards. I wonder if the Scattered home experience was a contributing factor?
I remember him hiding the jelly under the table, when we went for Sunday lunch :)
Thanks again for the help.

Could this be Alice returning to England for a visit? She's planning to stay for 3 months at 37 Adlington St., Oldham. Her DOB was 2 April 1909.

Alice Pownall

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Alice Pownall
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1909
Age: 46
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 21 Jul 1955
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Captain Cook
Search Ship Database: Search for the Captain Cook in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Donaldson Line
Official Number: 1896/01

When George Lisle Pownall arrived in Canada in 1925 he gave the name of nearest relative at home as father George Pownall, 37 Adlington St., Oldham. (The same address that Alice was going to in 1955)

He was gong to Cnada to join brother Wilfred Pownall, Rilton Nr Brighton, Ontario.

Earnest Meadowcroft

in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
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Name: Earnest Meadowcroft
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1895
Birth Location: Eldham Lancs, England
Relative: George Meadoworoft
Relationship: Father
Regiment Number: 699


Was born Oldham, Lancs not Eldham.
Enlisted 18 Jan. 1915.
He was Roman Catholic.
NOK was father George Meadowcroft, 3 Firbank Ave., Oldham.

Thank you MargaretM. I know the Pownalls lived in Oldham - I'll check it out with my mother.
Other news
Alice Fitton is in the 1911 census with a daughter Lillian aged 2 - both the right age for my Alice/Mary Alice Fitton and youngest daughter. Alice is down as housekeeper for a John Murgatroyd. She then marries Mr Murgatroyd in 1911 and has a son George in 1912. I'm thinking that Alice left the Meadowcroft house taking the youngest and the family were split up from there.
I have yet to locate Alice Meadowcroft (B: 1906) in the 1911 census - either as Meadowcroft or as Fitton.
Still looking...

Image says Meadowcroft;

Alice Meadowerght
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alice Meadowerght
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Crompton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Crompton Home Combshead Lane Shaw (actually Cowlishaw Lane on census form)
Occupation: School
Registration district: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration district: Crompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 24594

The Crompton home was on Cowlishaw Lane, per 1911 census:

Mention of it here (Home for Catholic Children):

http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/OldhamBC/


A photo of the house here, as it is today (scroll down the page):

http://tinyurl.com/hrmsr2o

Well found AG !!

Dea x

Thank you ArgyllGran. That's truly a great find x

You can get many Canadian records thru LAC:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/introduction.aspx

However, their census uses Ancestry's transcription, so if you can't find him in 1911, then you have to do a free searrch on Ancestry. If you've no sub, you'll just get:

Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1911(Sub-District, District, Province) Birth Year Birth Place Relation
Ernst Meadowercht 21 - Normanby, Grey South, Ontario 1898 England Adopted Son

But now you can look this upand get:
Surname: Meadowerch
Given Name(s): Ernst
Age: 12
Province: Ontario
District Name: Grey South
Sub-District Name: Normanby
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001989224.pdf
[addy=Lot 18 Con 8 Normanby Twp, Grey]; b 7/1898; living with Maurice & Mary Culliton & daur, an Irish RC family]

You can look at concession maps for S Ontario at:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/searchmapframes.php
in particular:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/Images/Maps/TownshipMaps/gre-m-normanby.jpg

This map shows a house on the lot, with the name "M Doyle" on lots 18 & 19'

Go to: https://www.google.ca/maps/ and look up Ayton.
We want to go 2km S and 1 km E on Conc RD 8, and lot 18 is on the left..

The original survey was done in chains (80 chns =1 mile) and the standard lot size in the W part of Normanby Twp was 20 chns x 50 chns (i.e.,, 100 acres)..

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Name: MEADOWCROFT, EARNEST
Regimental Number: A699
Date of Birth: 01/07/1895
Reference:RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 6085 - 3
Item Number:194326
Box 6085
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc010/488422a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc010/488422b.gif
[attested 18/1/1915]

We know he lied about his age - he was 16, claimed he was 19, and is showing as having an apparent age of 21.

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
MEADOWCROFT Ernest Oldham 8d 707

My experience is people don't lie abt their b'day, just fidge the y.o.b., so he was probly b 1/7/1898. I suspect he was discharged as underage - one would need to see his service record to know, and it's not online yet - my guess is it'll come online 4-5 m from now, so check again in late Nov.

We know from RR's 1911 that Walter is an inmate at some place on Fir Bank Royston.
I'm wondering if the addy for Ernest's n.o.k., viz 3 Firbank Av, is actually the street addy of the workhouse.

Re Firbank, Royton, where Walter was in 1911:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Oldham/

(Scroll down to "Scattered Homes".)
Comparing the map shown there, with Firbank Road on Google Maps, it seems the Homes took up the full length of Firbank Road.

I can't see any mention of a workhouse for adults there, nor of a Firbank Avenue in any context - only Firbank Road.


Looking at the image of the 1911 on Ancestry, on pages 2 & 3 it gives the address as :

Central Home of Scattered Homes of Oldham Union,
Firbank, Royton.

Not a new find - but gives image URL:

Ship:CORSICAN
Shipping Line:Allan Line Steamship Co.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Date of Departure: 1910-10-06
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival: 1910-10-15 1910-10
Year:1910
Microfilm Reel Number:T-4773
Reference:RG 76
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003567196.jpg