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If anyone can found out if my nan had brothers or sisters it would be a great help in trying to do the Irish side of my family tree. Thank you <3

Ok thank you

Karen it would appear so....
I am watching the Football at the moment but will check in later.

Yes he was deceased on the wedding certificate.
Is Christina my nans sister ?


Diocese of Cloyne Parish of St Mary Youghal
James Fitzgerald was baptised on the 9th May 1867
Parents William Fitzgerald
Mary Regan
Sponsors Dennis Lynch

Ellen Mangan baptized same Parish but on the 12th April 1881
Parents Peter Mangan
Elizabeth Shanahan
Sponsors Michael Hennessy
Hanna Hennessy.

Many thanks for the O'Brien /Slattery Marriage. The Waterford Registers are a nightmare to read in places but that is my g. grandparents Marriage.

The reason I was looking for the Fitzgerald/Regan marriage following James' birth was the PP would have plenty to say about having children without being married !!

I don't see a marriage for William Fitzgerald and Mary Regan- I don't think they were married. Both sons, William and James have an abbreviated "illegitimate" before their names in the parish register (both born in the workhouse).

Sorry, had to pop out- couldn't find a marriage with exact spelling of Briget- but there is this one (no image- just transcription)? Edit- it says I can view the parish record- but I can't see them listed anywhere on it!

Date of Marriage: 05-Nov-1870
Parish / District: Stradbally

Husband: Name: James Brien
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Address: Templeyvrick
Husband's father: Michael

Wife's Name: Brigid Slattery
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Address: Ballynorrid
Wife's father: John

Witness 1 James Cavanagh
Witness 2 Honor Power

Notes: Officiator: CASEY THOMAS. Place: STRADBALLY. Comment: *BONMAHON
**BALLYNORRID.

AustinQ Can I ask a big favour if you have enough sub.left could you check a Marriage for a James Brien and Bridget Slattery 1870 Kilmacthomas Co Waterford for me personally.
Thank You

Thank You AustinQ....

The above is what I have identified plus a Thomas Baptised 12th June 1867 mother "Betty" Shanahan in some entries Peter's surname is Manning !!

Could you check for the Wm Fitzgerald Marriage to Mary Regan ?
In the Church Reg.for James Baptism 29th (not 9th) May 1867 the PP has made a notation ILLegit.....I cannot locate a marriage for the couple after this as the Registers are missing.

These are the children coming up on a search with parents Elizabeth Shanahan and Peter Mangan

Baptismal/Birth Records for Ireland

Action Source Surname First Name Year County
View Church Baptism Mangan Elizabeth 1871 Co. Cork
View Church Baptism Mangan Catherine 1876 Co. Cork
View Church Baptism Mangan Patrick 1879 Co. Cork
View Church Baptism Mangan Ellen 1881 Co. Cork
View Church Baptism Mangan Christine 1883 Co. Cork
View Church Baptism Mangan Bridget 1886 Co. Cork

They're on http://www.rootsireland.ie/ I bought a month's sub that's about to run out so thought I'd take a look. It's also where I got Ellen's parents marriage from:

Her parent's Marriage (Roman Catholic):

Date of Marriage: 03-Jun-1900
Parish / District: YOUGHAL
Husband: James Fitzgerald
Husband's father: William Fitzgerald
Husand's mother: Mary Regan
Wife: Ellen Mangan
Wife's father: Peter Mangan
Wife's mother: Elizabeth Shanahan

Witness 1: Edward Norris
Witness 2: Catherine Dycaer
Notes: 2ND WITNESSES NAME PET NAME [KATE]

Ellen's baptism (1907) isn't on there, nor can I see any other possible siblings listed.

Austin Q

Where are you finding the above...As far as I can see the Registers are only going into the 1880's

Ellen's Aunt:

Baptism:
Christine Mangan
Date of Baptism: 16-Dec-1883
Address: Murrays Lane
Parish/District: YOUGHAL
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Peter Mangan
Mother: Elizabeth Shanahan
Sponsor 1 Michael Goulding
Sponsor 2 Ellen Hennessy
Notes:CELEB: E BARRY CHILDS PET NAME [CHRISTINA] 1ST SPONS NAME E [MICHL]

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Another Aunt:

Marriage:

Date of Marriage: 14-Jan-1894
Parish / District: YOUGHAL

Name: (Husband) Patrick McCarthy
Address: Youghal Youghal
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Husband's father: Owen McCarthy
Husband's mother: Mary Barett

Name: (Wife) Mary Mangan
Address: Youghal Youghal
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Wife's father: Peter Mangan
Wife's mother: Elizabeth Shanahan

Witness 1 Michael Graham
Witness 2 Mary Graham

Notes:CELEB: D KELLER P.P. FATHERS NAME[EUGENE] WIFES MOTHERS PET NAME[ELIZA] PARENTS ADD[YOUGHAL] WIT ADD[YOUGHAL]
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Her father's brother:

Baptism
Name: William Fitzgerald
Date of Baptism: 11-Sep-1864
Address: Workhouse
Parish/District: YOUGHAL

Father: William Fitzgerald
Mother: Mary Regan
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Sponsor 1 Catherine Loughlin

could be 2 births for the above marriage

only marriage in 1936 willisden name Eileen not ellen

Marriages Dec 1936

Fitzgerald Eileen Gibson Willesden 3a 1011 Scan available - click to view
Gibson Alfred Fitzgerald Willesden 3a 1011

Karen.
Does it say on the Wedding Certificate if Ellen's father was deceased ?
The C Fitzgerald may well have been Christina you should be able to confirm this or not by checking the Church Register normally it is signed in the full name of witnesses.

Does the Baptismal Cert. give any indication of Godparents.

Hello yes I have a photo copy of my Grand mothers wedding certificate to my Grand dad the witnesses were : C Fitzgerald and J.J. Taylor .
My mums late brother got photo copies of the Baptisms from someone he knew.

Karen...Have you a copy of your grandmothers Marriage Cert.and if so who were the witness' ? also where did you get the details relating to the Baptism's (20.June 09.44)?

The further back I go the more complicated this is getting.....although I believe its possibly the fault of the PP at the time .

I located Thomas' Baptism and went looking for the marriage of Peter Mangan and Eliza.Shanahan....this is what I found..

Feb 26 1866
Peter Mangan son of Peter Mangan and Ellen Curtin married BRIDGET Shanahan daughter of Patrick Shanahan and Mary (Looks like) Broderick
Witness' Michael and James/Jane Slack

Peter was listed as living Clonard (doesn't state East or West) Brid.Redbarn the Slack's also lived Redbarn.
Peter's parents lived Ballycotton and Brids. Cork Lane.

How Bridget became Eliza . I have no idea but following through and cross ref. I can find no children born to a Peter Mangan and Brid .Shanahan.
Why I think its possible the PP may have made an error is because it was often common practice for them to fill in the Registers after the event and he may simply have forgotten or mixed up the mothers Christian name with someone else...Peters surname is also written on some of the entries..as Manning...

I mean any information I get from yourself or others it is very much appreciated on my Grand mothers family in Ireland.

Karen..Do you mean from members on here...??


I have no idea why Elizabeth Shanahan's Christian name became "Betty" on Family Search as it is transcribed in the Baptismal Reg. for all children as Eliza. Thomas' Godmother was Elena Barry.