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Thank you Sylviain, for your thoughts regarding my grandmother, yes, it is strange that my father's name is mentioned twice. It is a possibility that Elizabeth Gallon could have been born in 1894 (as she would have been 27 years of age)
My father mentioned she was Welsh, i dont think it is much to go on
The only facts i have is on my dad's birth certificate, it mentions 89 Church St, Runcorn as their UK address

Thank you Chris and Rambling Rose, yes i recall Princess Road and the names mentioned are my dad's relatives, my uncle
Since i started this thread less than a week ago, i have been amazed with the replies i have received, my grandmother still a mystery but with the replies i have received so far, i am optimistic
Thanks all

Thank you Austin, you were very helpful as well as the people who responded on my thread to come up with this information, i am slowly putting together my father's past bit by bit, so that was very helpful
My grandmother is still a bi of a mystery so i will continue with my research with finding something about her
About the address, i am not sure at this moment
Thank you :-)

Martin


Correction .......

I did NOT conclude that Elizabeth had to be born ca 1900 to have had your father in 1900.

I still think that she may have been born earlier than that, as she had obviously married Mr Wilson prior to 1921 ........... shown by the fact that your father was registered in both those surnames for her.

She may well have been a war widow ......... married around 1914 for example and then Mr Wilson was killed.

She could in fact have been born as early as 1875-1888 and still have been young enough to have had a child in 1921


I just concluded that the Mary Elizabeth Gallon that I'd found and traced could not be the one because she was too old.

1939 Register Transcription (Find My Past)

180 Princess Road , Manchester C.B., Lancashire
Clin Fongtoy 09? Jan 1903 Male Laundryman Married
Chu Au Chug Fongtoy 17 Sep 1914 Female Housewife Married

Chris :)

edits

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11879559

(Naturalisation Certificate: Fong Toy Chin. From China. Resident in Moss Side)


(also there 1948, from google below)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38482/page/6545/data.pdf

Only because Manchester has been mentioned

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Gallon Household (4 People)
91 Lansdowne Road , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Elizabeth S Gallon 14 Jul 1894 Costume Gown & Fire Saleswo
Emily A Gallon 11 Jun 1858 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Alice E Gallon 13 Jan 1886 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Guslow A Linck 01 Nov 1870 Export Merchant Textile & He

Princess?...(looks to still be there, from google)

Chris :)

AQ, I can't see that record at FMP but here's a list of street names in Manchester beginning with 'P'

http://www.proviser.com/regional/towns/manchester/street_maps/p

I'm not suggesting that you look yourself but the poster might want a try

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists,

Name: Chin Lee
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 16
Port of Departure: Japan
Arrival Date: 26 May 1937
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Memnon
Shipping line: Blue Funnel Line
Official Number: 162335

Last permanent residence: Hong Kong
Proposed UK Address: 180 P?????? Road, Manchester

I can't read the address- do you think it may have been connected with UK relatives?

I think my father was an illegitimate child, my grand mother abandoned him (in those days it was not the done thing) so he went with his father to China but came back later to UK when he was 16 and later married my mother who is still alive
I dont think my father ever saw her again but i still dont know anything about my grandmother, whether she was married, whether she had family, when she died etc

Thanks Sylviain & Detective for your contributions in helping me find out my grand mother
I came to same conclusion Sylviain that my grandmother must have been born around 1900 to have my father in 1921
My father when he was alive, did not mention much about his mother other than to say she was from Wales. My father was born in Runcorn, Cheshire. From my reserach i foundout there was an Elizabeth Gallon born in 1900 in S Shields in Durham, I ordered the birth certificate for this- GallonElizabethS. Shields10a779irismarie
Having received it, i am no better off so i dont think it was the correct one
My grand father's name was Chin Dock & his mother name was Elizabeth Wilson (formerly Gallon) . on my dad;s Birth Certificate the address mentioned is 89 Church St, Runcorn
That's all i have

I really doubt that someone born in 1864-1866 would have had a child in 1921, at the age of ca 55


Back to the drawing board!

Mary Elizabeth seems to have certainly been born ca 1866

This looks like her in 1881 (from FMP as ancestry has stopped working for me) .....

1881 Census

George Gallon Head Married Male 44 1837 Rly Engine Driver Northumberland, England
Emma Gallon Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Edenham, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Elizbth Gallon Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Domestic Servant Camden Town, Middlesex, England
George Edw Gallon Son Single Male 13 1868 Labourer In Printing Works Battersea, Surrey, England
Eva Eliza Gallon Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Wm Taylor Gallon Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Emma Gallon Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
John Gallon Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Isabella Gallon Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Herbert Gallon Son Single Male 1 1880 - Battersea, Surrey, England
Eliza Herbert Sister In Law - Female 45 1836 Domestic Servant Unemployed Edenham, Lincolnshire, England

i've just lost a huge post :-( :-(

Working on the principle that Elizabeth Gallon might be older, I looked for marriages between a Mr Wilson and an Elizabeth Gallon form 1900 to 1921 ....... i didn't look before 1900. The following was the only one that I found on freebmd

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)

Gallon Mary Elizabeth Portsmouth 2b 1156
Wilson Thomas Tinnion Portsmouth 2b 1156


This looks like Thomas Tinnion's Birth Registration .....

Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
WILSON Thomas Tinnion Whitehaven 10b 566


I then found this Probate Record on ancestry .............

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Thomas Tinnion Wilson
Probate Date: 8 Feb 1917
Registry: Exeter
Death Date: 12 Nov 1916
Death Place: Devon, England

from image:-
of Mill Street, Sidmouth, Devonshire, grocer, died 12 November 1916 at the Devon County Asylum, Exminster, Devonshire. Probate granted Exeter 8 February 1917 to Thomas Gallon, engineer, and Mary Elizabeth Wilson, widow.
Effects £454 1s


The following death registration matches the probate record, St Thomas is the Registration District that includes Exminster ...........

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
Wilson Thomas T 43 St.Thomas 5b 88


But then my possible theory came to a screeching halt :-(

If the information on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses is accurate, Mary Elizabeth would be too old to have a child in 1921 :-(

1901 Census

Name: Thomas F Wilson <<<<< it is Thomas T on the image
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary E Wilson
Mother: Mary A Wilson
Birth Place: Larton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
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Ecclesiastical parish: Southsea St Bartholomew
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 18

Piece: 987
Folio: 120
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 134

Mary A Wilson 55 b.ca 1846, Worthington, Cumberland, Widow, Living on Own Means
Thomas F Wilson 29 b.ca 1872, Lrton, Cumberland, Son, Tea Dealer (Grocer
Mary E Wilson 36 b.ca 1865, Camden Town, London, Daughter-in-law

Address:- 54 Beach Farm Rd


1911 Census

Name: Thomas Tannior Wilson
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Orton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
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County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 54 Francis Avenue, Southsea
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Grocers Assistant Co Operative Society
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 223
Piece: 5537

Thomas Tannior Wilson 39
Mary Elizabeth Wilson 45 b.ca 1866, Camden Town, London

Married 10 years, no children

If his birth was entered under both surnames of Dock and Wilson, then surely this implies that Elizabeth's marriage to Mr Wilson had already taken place

that means that she may well be older than the estimated age of 21.

Could she indeed be an older mother?

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1921 to 1923

WILSON Chin L Runcorn Halton RUN/106/66

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(no Dock on above)

Chris :)

Reply sent to PMs before reading the thread.

Basically Martin concurs with the information posted here. We both agree it doesnt really take us any further forward (or back) with Elizabeth.
Martin's father was taken to China by his father & had no further contact with his mother.

Thank you all for your great detective work, i sent messages in response as i am new to this
The information provided is correct as i knowbut i am still trying to find out who my grandmother is :-)

There is an entry for the address on the 1939 register, but has been redacted.

Is this relevant?
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Chin Lee
Gender: Female – as per image
Age: 3
Birth Date: abt 1921
Departure Date: 1 Nov 1924
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Hong Kong, China
Ship Name: Elpenor
Shipping line: Blue Funnel Line
Official Number: 137536
Master: Captain T W Hanney

Immediately above the entry is Dock Chin, a 50 year old male born in China and intending to settle in China. The last address for both of them was 817 Church St, Runcorn. He was a Laundryman
Lee Chin (or Chin Lee) has taken his citizenship from his father, if that is correct.

Are we getting tangled up with the Chinese tradition of listing the surname first rather than last? Not that it helps us with Elizabeth nee Gallon.

89 church street Runcorn is now a shop with possible accommodation above it

It's part of a run of shops so wonder if it was ever fully residential