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Thank you Maddie a lot of information to work through :-)

Ann - how is Thomas related?

RE: "all were born in Westhoughton"
The first 4 kids' births were rego'ed in the Westleigh subdistrict of Leigh RD.
Westleigh subdistrict included the townships of Westleigh, and Pennington.
Margaret was also from Westleigh.
1871 Event Place London Road, Westleigh, Lancashire, England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZPD-399

1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74X-TBX
[I can't see image - no sub. Is Margt a mistranscription of Mary?]

1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZPD-MXD

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1874q4
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
CLARKSON John 81 Westleigh Wigan & Leigh WL/14/312

Marriage: 8 Jan 1840 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancs.
John Clarkson - Full age Joiner Bachelor of West Leigh
Mary Rostherne - (X), Full age Spinster of West Leigh
Groom's Father: Thomas Clarkson, deceased, Farmer
Witness: James Pendlebury; Samuel Whittle
Married by Licence by: James Irvine Vicar
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1845, Page 110, Entry 220
Source: LDS Film 1885652
[I would call Samuel Whittle a "professional witness" - he appears on all 6 marrs that month]

Baptism: 14 Sep 1811 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancs.
Mary Rostron - Daughter of Ann Rostron
Register: Baptisms 1793 - 1812, Page 152
Source: LDS Film 2113219

Baptism: 24 May 1840 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancs.
John Clarkson - Son of John Clarkson & Mary
Abode: Westley
Occupation: Carpenter
Baptised by: Robt. Armitage, Off. Min.
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1849, Page 66, Entry 524
Source: LDS Film 1885645

Baptism: 1 Sep 1842 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancs.
William Clarkson - Son of John Clarkson & Mary
Abode: Westleigh
Occupation: Weaver
Notes: 1
Baptised by: J Irvine, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1849, Page 151, Entry 1204
Source: LDS Film 1885645

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840q2
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CLARKSON John Lowton Wigan & Leigh ROSTHERNE LOW/2/344
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
CLARKSON John 1 Lowton Wigan & Leigh LOW/2/489

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1842q3
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CLARKSON William Lowton Wigan & Leigh ROSTHERNE LOW/4/125

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848[1849q1]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CLARKSON Margaret Westleigh Wigan & Leigh RAWSTON WL/2/82

1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVX-VCYV

1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQGH-N9F
Event Place Leigh, Lancashire, England
Residence Note Dangerous Corner Snapes
Registration District Leigh

Parish Leigh
County Lancashire
Registration Number HO107
Piece 513 Book Number 13 Folio 8 Page Number 9
John Clarkson M 45 Lancashire
Mary Clarkson F 30 Lancashire
John Clarkson M 1 Lancashire
Nancy Lyon F 8 Lancashire


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
CLARKSON John 1 Lowton Wigan & Leigh LOW/2/489

Deaths Sep 1841 (>99%)
CLARKSON John Leek 17 299
[image says RD=Leigh vol=21 - correct'n subm'd to FreeBMD]

Ann - I forgot to say I'm using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
and http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

How many kids did Margt have, and how many have died by 1911?

My list is (NB I've appended the rego date from FreeBMD):

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1867q4 HUNT Emily Esther Westleigh Wigan & Leigh CLARKSON WL/16/23
1869q3 HUNT John Robert Westleigh Wigan & Leigh CLARKSON WL/17/216
1871q1 HUNT George Henry Westleigh Wigan & Leigh CLARKSON WL/18/362
1873q1 HUNT Ada Clarkson Westleigh Wigan & Leigh CLARKSON WL/20/274
1875q3 HUNT George H[=Henry] Westhoughton Bolton CLARKSON WH/15/186
1877q3 HUNT Ernest J[=James] Westhoughton Bolton CLARKSON WH/16/438
1879q4 HUNT Emma Westhoughton Bolton CLARKSON WH/18/237
1882q1 HUNT Albert Westhoughton Bolton CLARKSON WH/20/30
1884q1 HUNT Gertrude Horwich Bolton CLARKSON HOR/16/75
1886q1 HUNT Frank Horwich Bolton CLARKSON HOR/18/76
1888q3 HUNT Frances Horwich Bolton CLARKSON HOR/21/24
1891q2 HUNT George H[=Henry] Horwich Bolton CLARKSON HOR/25/339
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1888q4 HUNT Louisa Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/21/258

Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1872q4 HUNT George Henry 1 Westleigh Wigan & Leigh WL/13/181
1878q1 HUNT George H 2 Westhoughton Bolton WH/10/271
1896q1 HUNT Emma 16 Horwich Bolton HOR/19/311

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1867
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT George CLARKSON Margaret Westhoughton, St Bartholomew Bolton 55/1/26

Marriage: 8 Aug 1867 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancs.
George Hunt - 26, Shoe Maker, Bachelor, Westhoughton
Margaret Clarkson - 18, Spinster, Leigh
Groom's Father: Robert Hunt, Silk Manufacturer
Bride's Father: John Clarkson, Farmer
Witness: James Wright; Frances Ann Sewell
Married by: Charles H. Newbold, Inct. of Hindley
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1886, Page 13, Entry 26
Source: LDS Film 2356301




I can find the kids on all censuses, with 2 exceptions:
I can't find Albert 1911, (nor Doris, nor Mary) - maybe they emigrated.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907q2 []
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Albert WHITTLE Mary Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/158/142

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1908q4
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HUNT Doris Horwich Bolton WHITTLE HOR/59/481

I can't find Ada in 1891 - she'ld be 18 then.
It seems odd (but not impossible) that she'ld be the only one not living at home.
I'm inclined to think she was at home, and accidentally omitted by the parent who filled out the form, or the enumerator who copied it onto the summary sheet.
Having said that, my ma-i-l had an aunt that I couldn't find as a teenager. She became a WW1 widow, and at my bro-i-l's prompting, I investigated her hubby in connection with some WW1 centenary event, and found the aunt in Middlesb'ro - the other side of the country, working in a shop run by her half-aunt, whom I'd lost track of on her marr 40y earlier.

Info on the missing kids (NB I've appended their rg14 (1911) piece number and the subdistrict).

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894q1 [rg14/23348 - Horwich]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Ada Clarkson THORNLEY John Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/110/106

1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VJ-S6R
Civil Parish Horwich
Ecclesiastical Parish Holy Trinity Horwich
Sub-District Horwich
Registration District Bolton
Residence Note Heaviley Grove
Piece/Folio 3609/ 100 Page Number 12

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1893q3 THORNLEY Elsie Little Hulton Bolton HUNT LH/40/448
1894q4 THORNLEY George Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/33/27
1897q1 THORNLEY Winifred E[Emma] Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/37/198
1898q2 THORNLEY Fred Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/40/58
1899q1 THORNLEY Norman Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/41/275
1901q1 THORNLEY Ernest Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/45/288
1904q3 THORNLEY Albert J[Job] Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/52/371
1906q2 THORNLEY Irvine Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/55/234
1908q4 THORNLEY Ada Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/59/480

Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1900 THORNLEY Winifred E 3 Horwich Bolton HOR/23/322
1907 THORNLEY Albert J 2 Horwich Bolton HOR/29/312

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894q3 [rg14/23237 - Atherton]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT John R WHITTLE Rachel Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish Church Bolton 24/13/270

1901
Civil Parish Atherton
Ecclesiastical Parish St John Baptist
Sub-District Atherton
Registration District Leigh
Residence Note Bag Lane
Piece/Folio 3596/ 18 Page Number 27
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VC-X5P

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899 [1900q1]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HUNT Phillis Atherton Wigan & Leigh WHITTLE ATH/84/18

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909q2 [rg14/23345 - Horwich]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Frances HOPE Fred Westhoughton, Primitive Methodist Chapel, Hindley Road, Daisy Hill Bolton 130/1/7

Marriage: 1 May 1909 Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel, Westhoughton , Lancs.
Fred Hope - 23, Coal Miner, Bachelor, Astleys Farm, Schofield Lane, Atherton
Frances Hunt - 21, Elementary School Teacher, Spinster, Alkers Farm, Westhoughton
Groom's Father: Farnoth Hope, Farmer
Bride's Father: George Hunt, Farmer
Witness: Walter Hope; Mary Croston
Married by Certificate by: Geo. Lewins Minister and in the Presence of Joseph A. Croston Authorised Person for the said Chapel
Register: Marriages 1906 - 1927, Page 4, Entry 7
Source: LDS Film 1966746

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909q4
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HOPE Joseph Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/61/296

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910q3 [rg14/23344 - Horwich]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Frank ELLISON Elizabeth Westhoughton, St Bartholomew Bolton 55/3/444

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910q4 [rg14/23302 - South West Bolton]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Gertrude JAMESON Harry Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/167/186

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1904q1 HUNT Winifred Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/51/28
1907q4 HUNT Granville Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/58/33
[On both the above entries, the forename is unique on the GRO page]

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
JAMESON George H Bolton 8c 381
[SW Bolton only trabscribed to 1903 by LancsBMD at present]

They had 12 kids 2 had died by 1911 and Ada Clarkson Hunt died in 1922 she was my Great Grandmother
Have to check on Thomas 1870

Ada Clarkson Hunt work at Goosnargh Hospital before she married

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1346010

(is above relating here?)

Chris :)


Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 27 Oct 2014 10:11

Marriage: 1 May 1909 Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel, Westhoughton , Lancs.
Fred Hope - 23, Coal Miner, Bachelor, Astleys Farm, Schofield Lane, Atherton
Frances Hunt - 21, Elementary School Teacher, Spinster, Alkers Farm, Westhoughton
Groom's Father: Farnoth Hope, Farmer
Bride's Father: George Hunt, Farmer
Witness: Walter Hope; Mary Croston
Married by Certificate by: Geo. Lewins Minister and in the Presence of Joseph A. Croston Authorised Person for the said Chapel
Register: Marriages 1906 - 1927, Page 4, Entry 7
Source: LDS Film 1966746


Baptism: 16 Nov 1909 Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Hope - [Child] of Fred Hope & Frances
Born: 19 Oct 1909
Abode: 326 Hindley Rd.
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Theos. Parr
Source: LDS Film 1966746


Baptism: 15 Aug 1915 Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Marion Hope - [Child] of Frederick Hope & Frances
Born: 23 Jun 1915
Abode: 326 Hindley Rd. Daisy Hill
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: A. E. Goodall
Source: LDS Film 1966746


Baptism: 24 Jul 1917 Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Harry Hope - [Child] of Frederick Hope & Frances
Born: 26 May 1917
Abode: 326 Hindley Rd. Daisyhill
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: Frederic William Wilkinson
Source: LDS Film 1966746


http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

(from above)

Thank you mgnv and Chris Ho I have plenty of information to work through.

Thank you all once again :-)

Ann - 12 and 2 - well I guess I found the 12, and the Geo on 1871 has vanished, so I guess he's one death, I think the 2nd Geo is the second death, and that Emma has probably emigrated, maybe to Oz.
I didn't get any likely hits for Emma Hunt on the US 1910 & 1920, but she could be wed by then. I also got no likely his for Emma, Albert, nor Daisy and Mary Hunt in Canada 1921.

Do you have the 1911 numbers of live births and of deaths for Ada?
Do you have a sub that lets you view and download census images - who with?

The next 3 URLs will be of interest to you:

http://www.bolton.gov.uk/website/pages/Burials.aspx
http://www.bolton.gov.uk/website/pages/Burialrecords.aspx
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?AcctView=Login&SrchView=Basic&DetsView=Content&ListSource=Contributors§ion=CONTRIBUTORS&context=BOLTON&lang=E

Hi mgnv
Emma died aged 16y 1Q 1896 Westhoughton

Which Ada?

Ada Clarkson Hunt Died 25/09/1922 Burial 28/09/1922 Westhoughton
or
Ada Thornley Died 1981 in Sydney NSW Australia
Ada married 3 times
1. Frank Walker married in 1929 Frank died in 1942
2. Arthur Wigglesworth married in 1945 divorced Arthur died 1991
3. John "Jack" Wharton married 1973 in Australia "Jack" died in 1979

mgnv no do not have access to any actual Census documents have to wait till they are free to view

Ann - I'm in the same sub-less boat. There is a freebie on WW1 records upcoming:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1360722

However, you can get some limited info from free searches on FMP and Ancestry. Take our Ada in 1911 - we want the specific 1911 search screens. On Ancestry:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352
NB Check the box that makes Ancestry get exact matches only.

On Ancestry, I can make a guess that Ada's living in Westhoughten in 1911.
I can look up Ada Thornley on the 1911 English census - there are 35 hits, including our Ada Clarkson Thornley.
(Ada Clarkson Thornley is a unique name in 1911.)
I can narrow down the location info, checking I'm still getting a hit for her.
She's in Bolton RD, and in Horwich subdistrict.
(Westhoughton - sometimes West Houghton - was a subdistrict in Bolton RD until 1884. In the mid 1880s (and again in the mid 1900s), Bolton's subdistricts were reordered, and Westhoughten became part of an expanded Horwich subdistrict. Itis also a civil parish.)
With this level of geographic specification, I can look for just plain Thornley - there are 45 hits, but it's easy to pick out the following family:

Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birth Place Relation Residence
John Thornley Ada Clarkson abt 1855 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire
Ada Clarkson Thornley John abt 1873 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire
George Thornley John,Ada Clarkson abt 1895 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire
Norman Thornley John,Ada Clarkson abt 1899 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire
Ernest Thornley John,Ada Clarkson abt 1901 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire
Irvine Thornley John,Ada Clarkson abt 1907 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire
Ada Thornley John,Ada Clarkson abt 1909 location relation Westhoughton , Lancashire

I could also guess the relationships - Head, wife, son and daughter cover over 90% of relationships.
Although it doesn't arise here, what this would miss is, say, a Hunt rellie or uncle William Clarkson visiting them.

It's easiest to catch this on FMP. Again we need the specific 1911 search screen.
So go to FMP and look at their A-Z Record Sets - start typing 1911[blank] and click on the 1911 census in the list.
At the foot of the screen, you can enter Ada Clarkson Thornley, and see who's in the h/h - no one new:

First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Registration district Parish County
John Thornley 1855 Lancs Westhoughton Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
Ada Clarkson Thornley 1873 Lancs Leigh Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
George Thornley 1895 Lancs Horwich Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
Norman Thornley 1899 Lancs Horwich Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
Ernest Thornley 1901 Lancs Horwich Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
Irvine Thornley 1907 Lancs Westhoughton Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
Ada Thornley 1909 Lancs Westhoughton Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire
[NB - it does give pob]

If I search for Ada's step-daur, Nellie Thornley, FMP finds just one in

Registration district Parish County
Bolton Westhoughton Lancashire

I can specify these location parameters, and see who's living with her:

[rg14/23344]
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place
Margaret Thornley 1860 Lancs Westhoughton
Mary Alice Thornley 1883 Lancs Westhoughton
Nellie Thornley 1885 Lancs Westhoughton
Jmaes Dootson 1849 Lancs Westhoughton

I've been fortunate in being able to look for fairly unique names.
How would I handle something more common, like James Smith living in Westhoughton, say.


Go to http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ and use the advanced search.
Search for Westhoughten - specify within the ref rg14
This ref identifies the 1911 census returns - rg9 thru rg14 identify the returns for 1861 thru 1911 respectively (ho107 is used for both of 1841 & 1851).

I get hits like:
Reference: RG 14/23340
Description:
Registration Sub-District: Horwich
Civil Parish, Township or Place:Westhoughton (part)
RD 461 RS 4 ED 13

with a context (in footer) of:
Lancashire [conty]
Bolton [rego district]

There were 3 classes of enumerators:
1) regular enumerators - the guys who walked the streets;
2) heads of institutions - workhoses, prisons, asylums, stc.;
3) masters of vessels in port.
The first 2 classes were given ED (Enumerator's District) numbers.
In 1911, regular EDs (class 1) were given a piece number.
Class 2 EDs were grouped and each group was given a piece number.

In previous years a bunch of EDs would be given a common piece number, and (usually) each subdistrict would have one or more piece numbers.

In 1911, Horwich had 22 EDs, the last 10 of which (EDs 13-22, so piece #s 23340-22349) were for Westhoughton.

So, on Ancestry, I can look up a name like James Smith, and successively pin him down to Bolton RD, Horwich sub-RD, ED 17 which translates to piece 23344.
I can enter this on FMP to see who else are in the h/h.
Occassionally, even this won't get a unique James Smith, and FMP will return everyone who's in a h/h with some James Smith.
It's then a question of entering these names and looking for overlaps - it can be messy.

Not infrequently, there are mistranscriptions which can make it hard to locate someone I've found on FS/FMP (who use the same transcription) on Ancestry or vice-versa.
If I use the search pages specific for that census year on Ancestry, I can enter the piece/folio/page # with the names left blank, and see all the names on that page.
Any name on that page will get me the census image, but I can usually guess how the name's been mistranscribed.
(Caution - Ancestry 1881 doesn't use the true ref, but the ref for the head of h/h - which affects h/h's that are split across pages)

If I look at a census image 1851-1901, the census year class # and the piece # appear on the PRO copyright slip off in the margin of the image.
The page # is printed on the page, and (half the time) the folio # is stamped in the top right - the other half of the time, the folio # is on the front side of the sheet, and you're looking at the back.

The 1841 census as organized on difft lines - EDs were grouped into books and each piece contains a group of books. The PRO slip for book 4 in piece 123 would show ho107/123/4.

In 1911, a piece # plus a h/h seq # should identify a h/h, so on Ancestry, this works for, say, piece 12345 seq # 67, but fails for larger piece #s which happens as one goes north - it starts to fail in Smethwick, the last subdistrict in Worcs. It's not available on FMP searches.

1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74B-P1S
Event Place Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Bartholomew
Registration District Bolton
Residence Note Kersley Lane
Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 2811 / 21 Page Number 1
Samuel Thornley Head M 38 Westhoughton, Lancashire
Mary Thornley Wife F 35 Westhoughton, Lancashire
John Thornley Son M 6 Westhoughton, Lancashire
Margaret Thornley Daughter F 2 Westhoughton, Lancashire
George Thornley Son M 9M Westhoughton, Lancashire

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1853q3 THORNLEY (girl) Westhoughton Bolton PLATT WH/5/409 [GRO p-175]
1855q1 THORNLEY John Westhoughton Bolton PLATT WH/6/216 [GRO p-209]
1858q2 THORNLEY Margaret Westhoughton Bolton PLATT WH/7/246
1860q3 THORNLEY George Westhoughton Bolton PLATT WH/8/150

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1853q3
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
THORNLEY (girl) 0 Westhoughton Bolton WH/4/115

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850q3
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THORNLEY Samuel PLATT Mary Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/7/154

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1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:74LV-36Z
Parish West Houghton
Ecclesiastical Parish ST BARTHOLOMEW
Registration District Bolton
Residence Note Market Street
Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 3106/ 101 Page Number 37
John Thornley Head M 68 Lancashire, England [Day Watchman]
Mary Thornley Wife F 65 Lancashire, England
Margaret Thornley Daughter F 32 Lancashire, England [Single, Cotton Winder]
George Thornley Son M 30 Lancashire, England [Single, Coal Miner]
John Thornley Son M 36 Lancashire, England [Widower, Clogger]
Mary A Thornley Daughter F 8 Lancashire, England
Nellie Thornley Daughter F 6 Lancashire, England

It seems clear to me that John & Saml are probly the same guy, and Mary Alice & Nellie are John's kids, and thus Ada's step-daurs.
As an aside, you can often find modern pics of places of interest by swanning around on the geograph site, e.g.,
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2042157



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1882q3 THORNLEY Mary A Westhoughton Bolton DOOTSON WH/20/169
1884q4 THORNLEY Nellie Horwich Bolton DOOTSON HOR/16/422
1887q4 THORNLEY John Horwich Bolton DOOTSON HOR/20/7

Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1887q4 THORNLEY John 0 Horwich Bolton HOR/12/78
1887q4 THORNLEY Edith E[=Ellen] 26 Horwich Bolton HOR/12/82
maybe
1896q4 THORNLEY Samuel 73 Horwich Bolton HOR/20/187
1897q4 THORNLEY Mary 72 Horwich BLancashire Death indexes for the years:

Burial: 5 Nov 1887 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
John Thornley -
Age: 2d
Source: Westhoughton Parish Church Magazine, Dec 1887

Burial: 9 Nov 1887 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Edith Ellen Thornley -
Age: 26
Source: Westhoughton Parish Church Magazine, Dec 1887

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881q2
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THORNLEY John DOOTSON Edith Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/71/43

1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9KC-RLZ
[Registration Number RG13 Piece/Folio 3612/ 89 Page Number 18]
Margaret Thornley Head F 42 Westhoughton, Lancashire
Mary A Thornley Niece F 18 Westhoughton, Lancashire
Nellie Thornley Niece F 16 Westhoughton, Lancashire
[James Dootson is on next page]

Some final notes

I looked up Goosnargh in ref rg12 at TNA and got piece #, and quickly got her exact age from Ancestry

I can see enough 1891 details to guess it's probly our Ada, but not enough to be informative:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QYQF-9T2
[Piece/Folio 3447/ 4 Page Number 2]

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Why I wanted the live died 1911 #s for Ada:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1893q3 THORNLEY Elsie Little Hulton Bolton HUNT LH/40/448
1894q4 THORNLEY George Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/33/27
1897q1 THORNLEY Winifred E[Emma] Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/37/198
1898q2 THORNLEY Fred Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/40/58
1899q1 THORNLEY Norman Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/41/275
1901q1 THORNLEY Ernest Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/45/288
1904q4 THORNLEY Albert J[Job] Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/52/371
1906q2 THORNLEY Irvine Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/55/234
1908q4 THORNLEY Ada Horwich Bolton HUNT HOR/59/480

Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1900q2 THORNLEY Winifred E 3 Horwich Bolton HOR/23/322
1907q1* THORNLEY Albert J 2 Horwich Bolton HOR/29/312 [GRO indexed as Thornton]

* added a post-em to FreeBMD "Surname is mis-indexed - should be Thornley. Birth was 1904q4 Bolton 8c 437"

So where's Elsie & Fred? - they're not with Ada in 1911, nor with their half-sisters.

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It is possible that the missing kids belong to another Thornley-Hunt couple, so I looked for all instances in the GRO index thru 1911 where the surnames Hunt & Thornley appeared on the same GRO page.
There were 5 other instances with a male Thornley & a female Hunt.
The first 2 below didn't pair up

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858q4
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Elizabeth PARTINGTON Benjamin Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish Church Bolton 24/9/23

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
HUNT Annie Adalaide Derby 7b 1135 Scan available - click to view
LEY Thomas Frederick Derby 7b 1135 Scan available - click to view
>>MARSLAND Mary Derby 7b 1135 Scan available - click to view
>>THORNLEY Albert Edward Derby 7b 1135
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KB6K-5FP

This leaves just 3 - I've used more links from http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd to sort this out.
The 1st marr seems much too early, but (lacking Ada's live/died numbers, I didn't investigate further.

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856 to 1860 [1860q4]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Ellen THORNLEY David Cheadle, St Mary Stockport ST65/10/270

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875 [1874q3]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Sarah THORNLEY Joseph Runcorn, All Saints Halton C12/5/198

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892q2
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNT Emily THORNLEY Harry Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford BAR/23/98

Mgnv totally confused now

John Thornley b: 1855 married twice
1. Edith Dootson b: c1861 have no date for marriage
2. Ada Clarkson Hunt b:c1873 (my GGrandmother)

1911 Census has John Thornley and Ada Clarkson Thornley (nee Hunt) living at 201 Leigh Road Westhoughton
It state's that John and Ada had been married 17yrs 7 children born 2 died.

There is a possibility but not yet confirmed there may have been children from the marriage of John Thornley and Edith Dootson

I have census info for 1861
John at home with parents Samuel and Mary + two siblings
I have info for 1871 Census
John not at home only parents Samuel and Mary + his 2 siblings

No Info for 1881 & 1891 Census as yet

John Thornley had 2 siblings I can find at the moment Margaret b 1859 and George b: 1861

Many thanks
:-) :-) :-)

Ann - Sorry for the confusion. My last 3 posts were a bit of a grab bag.

Summary of 20:59 post
John was s/o Samual/John Thornley & Mary Platt.
He had two younger sibs, Geo & Margt, and one short-lived predecding (unnamed) sister.
1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74B-P1S

John wed Edith Ellen Dootson 1881q2.
They had 2 girls (Mary Alice & Nellie, then a son, John, in early Nov 1887.
John died aged 2 d, and Edith died less than a week later - only kmow burial dates, not death dates.

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:74LV-36Z

Girls lived with their Aunt Margt in 1901
1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9KC-RLZ

Summary of earler 20:58 post
Mostly it's abt doing lookups, and getting limited info w/o a sub, but it does give this limited info for Ada 1911, and Margt + girls + James/Jmaes Dootson in 1911

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Re the 22:12 post

I've listed Ada's 7 births and 2 deaths, with two extra Thornley-Hunt births thrown in (for Elsie and Fred). My guess is that these belong to Harry & Emily.

Footnote
Until 1898, only C of E, jews, quakers, and the registrars were authorized to keep official marr rego's.
Non-conformist churches could become a registered place for marrs, and non-conformist ministers could conduct a religious marr ceremony, but the marr only becaame official with the couple signing the marr register, so an asst registrar would attend non-conformist marrs with his official rego for the couple to sign.
(It was up to the church if they wanted to keep their own unofficial marr rego's, and what info those records contained:

As an e.g., this is my wife's gg grandparents marr:
Marriage: 23 Jun 1838 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs.
[unnamed] McCann -
[unnamed] Aspinall -
Groom's Parents: Samuelis McCann, civitatis Wigan & Brigittae
Bride's Parents: Jacobi Aspinall, [of Wigan] & Mariae
Witness: Patricio McArdal, [of Wigan]; Esther Jackson, [of Wigan]
Married by: Hen. Segrave Miss. Apos.
Notes: [Bride's and groom's names not recorded. Here their surnames are taken from
their parents]
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1840, Page 40
Source: Original register at LRO )

The situation changed in 1898, although congregational approval and the refistrar's approval process could ake some time - e.g.,
Marriage: 8 Dec 1906 Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel, Westhoughton , Lancs.
...
Register: Marriages 1906 - 1927, Page 1, Entry 1
although baptisms there date back to at least 1871.
RCs didn't seek authorization until the 1980s, I think.

Anyway, the point was to explain a LancsBMD entry reading:

Church / Register Office
Register Office or Registrar Attended

Apologies if you already knew all this.

One thing that's been bugging me - who is James Dootson?
Well, he's Edith's bro and the girls' uncle.

Births Sep 1861 (>99%)
DOOTSON Eda Ellen Bolton 8c 212

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DOOTSON Eda E Westhoughton Bolton PRESCOT WH/8/331

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848q2
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DOOTSON James Westhoughton Bolton PRESCOTT WH/4/70

Marriage: 1 Jan 1846 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancs.
Henry Dootson - (X), Minor, Husbandman, Bachelor, Westhoughton
Mary Prescot - (X), Minor, Spinster, Westhoughton
Groom's Father: James Dootson, Husbandman
Bride's Father: William Prescot, Husbandman
Witness: Abrm. Boardman; Robert Rigby, (X)
Married by Banns by: J. C. Bagshaw Curate
Register: Marriages 1844 - 1846, Page 163, Entry 326
Source: Microfilm held by Manchester Central Library (MFPR 1301)
[Abrm Boardman was a "professional witness" - he is a witness on all 23 marrs in Jan 1846]

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXF-BW2R

1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVX-KNCB

Thanks mgnv
the example you have give McCann/Aspinall
Your Aspinall ancestor is there any connection to Scowcroft?

Mgnv Re the 22:12 post

I've listed Ada's 7 births and 2 deaths, with two extra Thornley-Hunt births thrown in (for Elsie and Fred). My guess is that these belong to Harry & Emily.

Who are? Harry and Emily